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Continuing on accusers.
When the 2001 meetings exposed Stair openly among the brothers of all the communities the leadership still forbid any outside contact with the LAW. THE LAW was needed to bring Ralph into line.
No one had enough freedom in the spirit to do that. This is the response of children who are confused. Do you Fathers understand that now?
I was accused of taking vengeance into my own hands by ALL, I repeat, BY ALL of the so called leadership who have consistently displayed lukewarm tendencies.
In other words the leadership did not want to do anything except run away to their respective places. On judgment day if they make the streets of gold, I will be surprised.
The so called leaders were doing nothing when I sent the law after them to see what they might say about this ralph Stair preacher with his deeds.
The girls were approached by a nice young lady from the NEWSPAPER in WALTERBORO SC. Her name is Libby.
The girls confessed all to her and that was the only right thing so far that had been done by someone who lived under Ralph's domination.
I was still being accused.
I am being accused of going against scripture to get this job done, not true. Scripture tells you as a Christian to go to THE LAW as needed, as they are the last resort and God's ministers of VENGEANCE.
Romans tells us that the powers that be, are ordained of God. The Bible calls a policemen a minister of vengeance. To police, meaning to go up and down the path to make sure all is well for each individual is his area.
To police an area, is to secure it. To help anyone who's rights are being violated. As a for instance, if a running boy grabs a little old lady's purse and takes it, then it is the job of the officer to stop the criminal.
If someone steals on a community it is out of the policemen's hands because the board of directors of that organization are in charge there. If the board tells the Police dept that everything is fine and will be handled then there is nothing to be done for the officer.
If a girl is misused many dozens of times and the board says that they are investigating, then it is there position to do so, not the Law Men outside the farm.
If the board decides that sex is fine with whoever wants to have it then nothing can be said against it legally.
If the board wants to have an orgy then they may want to come up with a reason of some kind, but I doubt they need it.
If the board of directors says they want to erect an idol such as ralph stair rather than following the Bible, then they are perfectly within their rights.
If the board does not care if the leader is taking multiple partners for wives, then it is within their right to do so.
If the by laws are written to say that the board can be silenced by the top man then even if the board disagrees with the state of affairs at the home community, they have no power of say so or to do anything about it.
This is called a religious dictatorship with the people going along with it for fear of their pathetic lives.
This type of fearful man makes me want to go heave.
The HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL said BE STRONG.
HE SAID "the fearful and unbelieving will go to the pit"
When peer pressure prevails the people side together against the men of God. This happened many times with Moses.
Any of you who are accusing me of doing the wrong thing, do not understand the situation. Don't know what God is like, same thing.
Thomas and a few others have been the only valiant men who are fearless and have never accused me once. They understand the fury of the ALMIGHTY.
Through the years of this ministry to warn the people, who call themselves God's people, have suggested that I am in the place of Satan who is always accusing the people of sinning.
This is the way it is twisted around to put the blame on someone for exposing the "unfruitful works of darkness" or as scripture tells us that when the spirit comes it convicts us of sins. The Bible is a LAW BOOK to points us to Jesus so sin must be exposed and addressed.
The minds of the people are so easily tricked that they now believe that good is evil and evil is good when they put me in the place of Satan, who is a FALSE ACCUSER of God's people.
Satan is malicious and twists the minds to cause infighting.
This is why God has chosen men in the past who listen to GOD and not the people. The people whin and carry on something ridiculous not even making any sense.
This is the mark of a child who does not know yet which end is up so the bigger brother should step in. If you have even witnessed the hair of the dog standing up when danger is near?
I will not put up with these contradictory lies that I am bringing up stair and his wife's old sins is devilish.
You people are nuts to think this way. The Church of Jesus is not make of wood, it is in here inside me and inside the people of God. The spirit tells us if something is bad and it is our job to warn people of an evil or potentially dangerous person.
Face it the people do not know the Bible very much at all.
Here is the same thing said in a different way.
You are accusing me of protecting my house when my windows have been broken out, my doors kicked in and my roof is collapsing. The guy who is breaking into my house is standing "outside" in plain view basically boasting about it and I am the bad guy because I am calling for help by identifying the intruder.
The reasoning is that this poor man "outside" who is ruining my place might someday repent. What kind of stupidity is that?
This is the mind of the people who claim to be directed by the spirit. The people have no idea who God is.
No Man can win against this communication.
I am not falsely accusing, I am exposing sins in my own life first and those around me especially calling themselves Christians.
That is not Satan's work. You are calling the work of the Holy Spirit evil. The work of the HOLY SPIRIT is to show us our sins so we can turn from them.
Hosea, Go, take unto
thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath
committed great whoredom, departing from
Okay now you said it Steve.
From 1993 to 2014 I have listen to Ralph talk about Himself and his wife as the Prophet Hosea.
Ralph has always stated his relationship with his wife as a Holy Man who married a street walker (HIS WIFE) Ralph as repeated this message many thousands of times in his dinning hall ranting.
Ralph believes he is this pure Holy Man like Hosea was as he runs down many of the young girls on his property. As Ralph over takes and Overcomes his female captives he places himself in the position of savior and Lord over these girls, just like Hosea did, in his mind.
Hosea of course did nothing of the sort but Ralph thinks Hosea did and is operating this way in Jesus name. The double honor in scripture does not mean that preachers can have 10 women to marry rather than 1, yet Ralph and many preachers have twisted the words of God to their own destruction.
Ralph is a mentally ill man who is a violator of the Law and his biggest weakness is that he is a sexual predator.
This was admitting in a court of Law through what is known as plea bargaining. The process allows the violator to get a reduced charge by professing guilt. The amount of money needed to get off of these charges is more than the average man can afford.
Ralph put up over a half-A-Million dollars of giver support money to get himself free after spending over a year in jail.
They locked him up in solitary confinement and denied bail then put him in an electronic jail at his house.
The Law man would then visit the farm to make sure everyone was safe for quite some time afterward because the use of cell phones or outside contact was being stopped by Ralph.
Ralph was charged with keeping followers mail which is another form of outside communication with their families and friends.
Ralph was charged, sentenced and jailed yet he continues to promote the idea that he is being persecuted for his Holiness unto the Lord.
Ralph places himself in the stead of Hosea the Prophet as his reasoning behind his many marriages with the females at his commune.
The men at the farm know what Ralph is doing.
These people will continue after Ralph is dead in his foot steps as the spirit of whoredom will prevail from the top leadership positions on down to the children (Young Boys)
This is why Ralph like to send the young boys off his property when they start to become men. Ralph will send them to a grand mother or any one who will take the boy to lesson the competition.
In this way Ralph is the only available male who will manipulate the weaker vessels at his farm.
His dinning hall talks are a steady stream of sexual inflammation to stimulate lust using the Bible as a back drop to hide his intentions.
This man hiding behind the collar of Holiness has no conscience and his sexual appetites know no boundry.
Sub:: Pope Ralph
I got an interesting comment on Pope Ralph video on
Yeah you see ralph he would hire the whores...
You see those travelling evangelists would have a lot
of cash from the
Sign Here::New audio goddam_truth.mp3
Sub:: Stolen Money
Ralph is a thief
His Brother was in the Korean war sending his money home to his mother to use and put some up for him when the war was over and he returned home.
He wanted something to start over with but guess what Ralph sniffed it out and stole every bit of it and called it GODS will. and spent it chasing the girls and playing church man.
He has always been a low life pedophile.
All I have to say now is watch out for the little ones that he wants
setting on his lap with his junk out like he did in Oklahoma and
went to jail for awhile.
Grand Blanc MI.
Sub:: Stair Hater
Interesting website that lays the smack down on Ralph
Protection of the community
Sub:: Negative calls
Sign Here:: WOW that Brother who called in about the
The One and Only
Beyoncé was born in 1981, alleged. Joan Rivers was 81 years old.
Beyoncé turned 33 years old. Joan Rivers was born in 1933.
33 is the number of the ascension in Freemasonry.
I rest on your face. No Boutros.
After the jump is Alex Jones' eulogy for Joan Rivers, in
which he discusses the dangers of elective surgery, and
more from Infowars about how Rivers' death comes two
months after she said Obama was gay and Michelle was a
Someone said about Joan Rivers she was an
old woman. She would have died anyway.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
The generation that lived in Jesus day saw the destruction of Jerusalem. The PDF explains that Matt 24 is an answer to 2 questions that the disciples asked HIM about.
When shall these things be???
And the signs of the END of the World/Age?
two questions not one question
Jesus gave two answers not one answer.
Sub:: Joan Rivers
Sign Here:: Good clip Mike.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Here is an example that proves that Michelle Obama is a Male. You Judge. This Nation is represented by gays.
Sub: New audio
Little Girls Fighting
We all know Ralph loves sex and thinks of it every moment of his day. If he starts his preaching show yelling and screaming and soon is off on the subject of a woman being raped its because there is one on the farm fighting his advances.
Anything he preaches on that is perverted and has nothing to do with GOD, he is at that moment doing to a young lady.
Any little girl is not safe being with him, his god is between his legs.
Soon he will not be able to chase his victims because of age and he will move on the the very little girls.
He is still a
dangerous man that needs removing before he strikes or has he
God Knows Niomi has heard allot of perverted words come from her dads mouth. The apple does not fall far from the tree. There was a little boy that lived on the farm that started fearing her. She was young and look what her life was like spoiled mind twisted and now she calls others sick she will reap what she has done
God Knows Men & women that live off money from
stairs farm today will have a very numb feeling come over them when all
things come to an end.
Sub:: Farm Perversion
I just read Dave Mull's testimony again and WOW.
Sub:: Daddy's money
Naomi told us we have a sick obsession with her dad.
And that may be so....
Sub:: Radio Managers
Looks like our work is having some effect. Apparently
some of the managers of the radio stations stair was trying
to get on heard some of the audio clips and said, "No"!
"We can't have HIM on"!!
I think you're wrong Mike if you think the stair
threat is over.
Dowell is a PERVERT
I thought it was unwise when my husband told me
that a military man was leaving his wife(Neli) and children down @
NOT-SO straitway while he went off to a year of military service. Now he
neither has wife nor children, VERY SAD.
Dowell 2 Wives
Videos of ex-followers who see Dowell as a cult leader just as Eric had said 12yrs ago.
reason they had many wives in the OT was to populate the earth. Be
fruitful and multiply.
see they had multiple wives in the OT and this was OK with God, though
he advised against taking many wives.
Kathy Fayetteville NC
Dowell has taken another man's wife and wifed her to himself, her name is Neli. Now he has 2 wives and is telling his followers that this is OKAY with God......
A Froward Mouth
All these remind me of the farm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcpwW8VhS4s
Sub:: New audio
Sub:: Light and Darkness
Amen Brother Thomas
The men living at the farm are numb to the violations that ralph keeps commiting and they sit under this mental man, dumb struck because of the power of wicknedness.
We all know that spirit and how powerful it can be. The spirit can make you believe many things that simply are not true.
It all comes down to one thing in the end. Men are sinners and some love and hide their sins while others hate their sins and will not stand idly by while those who call themselves brothers live worse than wild dogs.
Like raph has done for decades.
The challenge that Satan made to God was that if men were sold under sin and tasted of the fruit of sin that man would never come back to GOD.
So again the challenge was that if men could sample sin they would always choose sinning over a boring Holy God.
(We are not talking about woman here boys.)
So men were given two sides of the coin so to speak, they were not sheltered from sin anymore and after the garden, tasted of good and evil.
Men were now able to sample sin and sample Holy living and make a choice. Jesus said that many delusionary false leaders would arise and tell folks to move to a farm or go somewhere special to find HIM, but that HE would not be there.
Many snares of sin can be found everywhere and the sinners keep sinning. Just like God has wanted men to do, so a choice can be made either for or against THE KING.
So many other signs but ralph is a demon possessed man who will die in his sins and be forever lost. Ralph and his team leaders have spoken from the pulpits stating how Jesus would come by the year 2000 or maybe 2002 or 2004 and some of them are dead now and they were much younger.
These are a sacrifice to Satan and to ralph's farm slaughter house, killing the souls who are subjected to these daily demonic attacks.
People wear out, like Margret did. Like Sister Walker.
Wayne douglas was treated like a nigger, shoved around talked down and bad about, kept him from having a wife for over 15 years til he died of a disease that no one helped him to overcome.
I could go on for hours and point out many common patterns of selfish brutal men. Yes I remember the bizzarre times someone came to the gate demanding ralph to come out while he was making some sort of arrangements, yes.
The scripture says that "THE NOISE OF THE BRUIT IS COME" this is all about men living and loving their oppressive way of sinful living and at the end of their lives their sin really stands out.
We have been chosen to be careful, kindhearted people who are strangers by this world's standards.
We are the people of God who love HIM, hating evil and separating from it.
We are those who are valiant men taking up the call of duty to defend the slaughter of innocence like our FATHER does.
We are the flock of God who love righteousness and stand pure before "HIS THRONE"
We are HIS arms and legs, HIS warriors who will arise like Samuel did when he sliced and diced the wicked king in the Bible, using a sword.
We are called to THAT war in the spirit of our minds to Judge the Judgments of a righteous Judge.
We are the called according to that purpose.
We are HIS virgins who will not condone foul play, we are HIS pure girl, we are HIS bride.
We can never be happy with anything less than purity.
We are HIS true love. HE is our Savior.
HE is our beloved and we long for HIM.
Sub:: stairs farm
live at stairs farm today will have a very numb feeling come over them
when all things come to an end.
Sub:: Ralph's Meth Trip
its all about ralph and his god between his legs. I do remember his sex
and god sermon. His drug eating so he can climax and he said this is what
it will be like in the presents of his god. I do believe his meth
trip will soon be over!
Sub:: New audios
|NAME:: Tim Butler
show that Stair monitors the Net Team guest book!
Pokerface r.g. stair
r.g. stair pretty much gone pokerface
Sub:: In The Know
You can't tell people they can't have
cell phones ralph
Ralph must have worship, sex, someone to kill fiscally and spiritually. Deep down his followers there at his sex farm hate him very much and enjoy the short time they get when he is hiding out setting up his next pity party for himself.
He has talked about heart problems before this. Any way I am going soon for a service there at his show I bet they will not know who i am setting in there showtime church.
I recall Ralph's drugs getting pulled out of
the mail box I remember the crack heads looking for Ralph at the gate
wanting to talk to him. I believe Ralph has done meth to help him at his
gathering shows in the past. One thing about Meth heads its all about
Ralph Old Dog
Well the ole dog got back behind the pulpit this morning.
he's still barking.
Ralph's froward mouth
mouth "There were no dinosaurs. Why? Because I said so!"
KJV STRONGS CONCORDANCE
H6143. 'iqqeshuwth, ik-kesh-ooth'; from
H6141; perversity:-- distorted; hence false:--crookedX froward.
H8419. tahpukah, tah-poo-kaw'; from
H2015; a perversity or fraud:-- (very) froward (-ness, thing), perverse thing.
Proverbs 10:31 ...............................................but
the froward tongue shall be cut out.
Discord = Sex farm
dwelling in ralph's body is without conscience, it does not care who it
hurts. Below you will note the word "FROWARD" this word means "perverse"
12 A naughty
person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward
13 He winketh with his eyes, he
speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his
14 Frowardness is in his
heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth
Shakin ralph had one of his cronies up in the pulpit
yesterday "Offenses will come to the Overcomer ministry but woe unto them
by whom they come by!"
Ralph Farm Demons
Well the ole codger
turned 81 on Monday. he does not fail to disappoint.
1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have
written unto you not to keep
Teresa will not enter the tabernacle.
Yeah he's the Pack Leader alright. Pack of
Some of them are just deceived.
Farm in SC
Thomas Paine Well said concerning the Strong Delusion.
Ralph has created his own little "Dystopian Kingdom" in his
farm in SC. Not all the much different from North Korea.
Listen to Ralph on the radio trying to reel in others unaware
into his net. Do not go to him or his farm for it is the path to hell
stair ran a black Brother out last Sabbath
|NAME:: Brother Mike
Delusionary thinking is what this endtime generation has. God has stated
is scripture “SEEK ME EARLY” this means HE wants the best like HE
asked for from the Priests temple sacrifice.
daily sacrifice for God is to live Holy in an evil world.
main thing I came to you today about was those religious people such as
preachers who are now elderly.
preachers/teacher/prophets today who have admittedly lived their entire
lives sinning somehow get the idea in their old age that their non
functional flesh is equal to Holiness.
early years present the hottest testing period of a persons life and God
has called us to prove that we are HIS by overcoming these evils with
the power HE has given us.
has given us power to tread of demons. Power over.
have noted that the general trend of the religious who have grown old in
that their fleshly inability to perform wickness is somehow
minds are so far from acknowledging their sins through the power of the
Holy Spirit that they can not repent.
can not repent because they have given themselves to delusion
all of their lives and now that they are old these deceiving spirits
have possessed their souls completely.
is the case with Ralph Stair and many
other public figures who have projected the end of the age.
Preachers like this have a delusion
that they are to be taken notice of or worshipped. They have all types
of false dates and projections based on what is written down in God’s
they are using these WORDS OF LIFE
to further their false ministries
inabilities to function in the flesh is not an automatic validation of
Holiness as these wick men would have us believe.
Me Early” this mean while we are young.
the command or reap the results. The results are a deceived soul who can
not repent because they feel they have done their best.
folks think their friends at a wooden church make them Godly, just
because a leader says so.
Elderly who had
lived a wayward life and think
they can change at the end are
in for a big surprise and is
not what God commanded HIS people to do.
delusional mind really feels they have honored God while living in sin.
This is a life that has mixed wickedness with praise to God and is
wants a persons best,
early on in life,
as proof that they really love HIM, so waiting till old age to
do right is proof of their
hate as well.
Delusional thinker are people who say and do things without conscience. Or their conscience does not witness against their evil deeds.
They will always use words to manipulate those around them into thinking their bad behavior is something everyone does therefore means nothing.
Temple Sinners Died
1 Sam 2:22 Now Eli was very old,
and heard all that his sons did unto all Israel; and how they lay with the
women that assembled at the door of the tabernacle of the
Bro Steve Jacobs
New Audio files
Poor Ole Ralph madness
Mr Righteous News
Also Ole Fred Phelps is Dead
|NAME:: Bro Mike
All manner of sins are forgiven those that acknowledge and forsake their sins, not hide them and lie about doing them and in ralph's case must leave the false office he has assumed as leader and Holy Example. Ralph is not and has never been nor has he repented.
Hear is the voice of repentance from King David the sinner.
Psa 51:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
Lying Prophet Ralph
Thanks for the audio Steve
Yup thats ralph as he damned all of the residences for catching him using 6 women at one time in 2001 when he was prosecuted.
Yes Sir that is the same ole ralph, yesterday, today and forever.
Like I said the things living in ralph only live for today's gradification so what difference does it make after he dies of old age as a lying Prophet, as long as he keeps everyone beat down into position to continue his sex-a-pades.
This guy loves to see folks falling humbly at his feet trembling fearfully. That is ralph's first love.
Next stop is to send everyone out into the fields to cultivate crops while he runs door to door asking young impressionable sister for hugs, ETC........................
Those demons may bring ralph $400 million but that don't make ralph Godly now does it?
ralph is a false Prophet.
Stair Lying Audio
NAME:: MIKE ROWLAND
Ralph's Demon Possession
Ralph is a false brother first and a false prophet next.
Steve you asked, why ralph would say one thing and later say
he did not say it?
That is because "the lights are on" (So to speak) but ralph is not
at home most of the time.
The thing people miss about leaders being deceived and
deceiving other people is that demons are in play.
Now if it was the spirit from God you would say it is not going
to be a lie, but when lie after lie presents itself in the form of a
lying preacher, it should be clear that these are demonic spirits.
Ralph was finally caught after many years of trapping girls at his
farm sexually and paraded right into the courtroom having the
gall to say that the young ladies were using him, not the other
This man is an unholy manifestation of demons. ralph has
powers to draw folks into his net so he can misuse and abuse the
girls, their fathers money and put himself up as the only
spokesmen on earth for God.
Ralph is totally without conscience 99% of the time and this
means demons rule ralph 99% of the time and still has 1% of
the time to repent.
Ralph's time is almost up.
Ralph is a mentally ill man who uses Jesus name to have power
over families with their money and bodies for work and
Ralph has been caught lying his whole life and will not come
under subjection to the will of God.
Only a Holy man can lead God's People and since ralph will
never humble himself to the word of God, he is the enemy of
ralph wants to be revered and honored no matter what vile
lifestyle he leads in direct defiance to the word of God.
ralph is 99% possessed of demonic spirits so he does not think
clearly and does not care what he said before as compared to
what he is saying now.
It doesn't matter to those spirits controlling ralph's body, mind
and spirit being.
All that matters to those spirits is that they can beat up
the people and twist the word of God into saying that, having
sex with ralph is the will of God.
Give all your money and give the demons living in ralph the
power over your family.
This is what is going on at ralph stair OVERCOMHER farm I
mean OVERCOMER FARM.
"Come out of her" is the opening line for ralph's ministry as he
constantly twists the focus and purity of the Holy Scriptures for
use of an open raw sexual response.
Complete with, in service ralph style hand and body language
of sexually explicit gestures.
It is a sex farm.
Ralph Caught Lying
Now the man knows he said Jesus would return before the year 2000. That audio has been on The Net Team website for years.
Do you think
the man is just dumb, senile or both?
is deceiving himself
Recorded last Sabbath service - March 1, 2014 11:17am
ralph's been caught lying again
ralph tells little lies
in the big things.
Patience of the Saints
stair's voice is hoarse again. probably from shouting in
the dining hall.
Gone Totally Mad
Now stair saying that Kirk is going to hell.
Sign Here:: Yeah that's right Anonymous God gave them over....
Rebellious children 1 Timothy
3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in
subjection with all gravity;
You got a snot nose there. A snot nose
Snot nose A snot nose can be male or
SUB:: Steve? Bad?
I think what Steve wanted to say is that like here in Romans there is a process that takes place with people where God gives them up first and like in the last verse this brings about a disobedience to parents because they hate them and later betray them in many ways. In some cases to death. Words kill so this could be only in the spiritual sense not a physical death.
.............................. God gave them over to a reprobate mind ...................
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections : for even
their women did change the natural use into that which is against
27 And likewise also the men,
leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward
another; men with men
working that which is unseemly, and receiving in
themselves that recompense of their error which was
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness,
fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy,
murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
You will notice that this generations is being filled with ALL Evil.
I think this is what you were getting at, weren't you steve?
Just in general terms nothing specific or personal toward any one individual.
I don't think Steve went down there to R G Stair's place, did you Steve?
I think steve hopes people get things right and that nothing harmful was meant to sling dirt on anyone. However it looks like very few are going to repent of their own personal desires whatever they are that are against the Law Of God.
Steve I believe that you are right about this generation being the one recorded here in Romans especially with all of the eroding values in America with nothing really considered a sin.
Most young people feel that they can live their lives any way they want and never consider if God likes or dislikes the way they live.
So they are against their parents when the parents try to teach them right and wrong.
SUB:: @ Steve
Insert any lie here Matthew 10:21,
Generation That Curseth
The spirit of this age and the children shall rise up
against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. Matthew
There is a
generation Proverbs 30:11
SUB:: Festive Spirit
Your foes Your foes Mike are those of your own
SUB:: God Help Me
Yeah I hate myself too sometimes but I am still praying that God will help me. I am doing the best I know how, to follow in the straight and narrow way.
Xmas is the broadway and many follow it. I did that for 40 years. This is why I can not practice this "WAY OF THE HEATHEN"
I don't feel that I need Santa Clause to tell me when to buy my children a pair of socks, gloves, boots, coats, toys, cars or whatever.
I hope this helps you to relieve your hatred for my view point but I doubt it.
I Hate You
Lyons Ks -Cox Com
You had me
worried Mike . I thought you had forgotten what time of year it is. It is
that glorious time of year when you turn your hate from the Church and
giving and Brother Stair to those who celebrate the birth of the Savior.
But I see you didn't disappoint.
The Light Before Christmas
The Light Before Christmas
‘Twas the night before Christmas; and strange as it seems
I wasn’t indulging in covetous dreams;
But reading my Bible, I searched for a clue
Why Christians take part in this holiday too.
…I plainly could see that it carried His name,
But the spirit behind it just wasn’t the same.
The songs spoke of wise men, of virgin and child,
Of shepherds, of God, and all men reconciled;
But nothing was said of the blood and the cross;
Of repentance, and faith, and of counting the cost.
They sang of the babe, His miraculous birth,
But not of the day when He’ll judge the whole earth.
My Bible said nothing of Santa, or toys,
Of Frosty the Snowman, and small drummer boys.
A reference to Rudolph not once did I see.
But it seems Jeremiah did mention the tree.
I sat and I pondered this curious matter,
When out on the roof there arose such a clatter
That I knew in a moment he soon would be here;
So I prayed in the Spirit and stood without fear.
He slipped down the chimney, quick as a flash,
And stepped from the fireplace all covered with ash.
There stood St. Nick with his bag and his beard,
He looked at the Bible I held, and he sneered,
“Another fanatical Christian, I see;
No stockings; no holly, no pictures of me.”
I asked him if Jesus was God in the flesh,
He said that was something he couldn’t confess.
He said, “I am Santa, I come from afar.”
I stood in the truth – “The Devil you are.
That suit and that beard doesn’t fool me one bit.
Your jolly deception is straight from the pit.
Beneath all your Ho Ho’s Lucifer lurks;
With your eyes of hate and your gospel of perks
Like a thief in the night you impersonate Christ,
Returning to judge the naughty and nice.”
“So call Christmas pagan,” he said, “That’s O.K.
‘Cause that’s what my sons at the Watchtower say.
You’ll look like a pagan or like a deceiver,
But none will suspect you to be a believer.”
I said, “I don’t care what your servants will say,
My loyalty lies with the Ancient of Days.
No matter how many abuses are hurled,
My Bible says be not comformed to this world.
You have no power, and no part of me,
So I stand on God’s Word, and command you to flee.”
He squealed like a pig that was stuck with a knife.
He ran to the chimney and climbed for his life.
And I heard him exclaim, as he drove out of sight,
“Merry Xmas to all, and a long, dark night.”
SUB:: God Bless You
Well, scriptures tell us to do good to those who do evil to us so when a person says "Merry Xmas" I take this as a blessing even if they are unaware of the pagan roots of XMAS so I will reply always "God Bless You Too"
They are ignorant of the true origin of XMAS like I was at one time in my life and I do not take out some kind of childish abuse on the unsuspecting person who is only being nice to the best of their abilities.
I hope people are willing to see what is right but I can not save them nor am I sent to them all to teach.
So it is like you say Steve I just keep it casual and light returning the common gesture of good will toward men.
The problem with the XMAS thing is everyone is all happy and silly on Dec 25 speaking words of blessings that they normally could never say so in this respect I quess this part is good, but the rest of the year their hate for one another sticks out like horns as they stay as far away from each other as possible.
After all once a year is as much as can be expected.
Through out the year the same ole war zone, but on XMAS they get together because they are kin and to ease the air bring the jug of wine to lighten their load.
Then it is back to staying as far away from one another for the other 364 days of the year.
Oh how they love one another on XMAS. XOXOXO fony bologna.
And so if you don't do like they do with this fony once a year XMAS tradition then you are not a good person like they are.
This is the "I am better than you" because I do XMAS once a year and you call yourself a Godly man?
Now you are the Ebenezer Scrooge of XMAS a hypocrite for not putting up a tree once a year and speaking lying words of XOXOXOXOOXOXOX.
This is the advanced condition with family who claim to be the ultra Saint.
The store clerk or check out attendant will invariably say "Merry Xmas" just as a friendly word and I always say "God Bless You Too"
That expression is a wonderful way of getting people to understand what they are or are not saying in this once a year superficial tradition that never had anything to do with the One God.
Xmas has always been Pagan with many many gods. But the average person does not know that nor do they think about it much til their credit card is full and they realize after many years that they were socially compelled and entangled with a sort of forced buying frenzy.
Nothing wrong with giving all through the year, but this once a year gift that often is done in a competive way is manipulative and unholy. Oh you gave me me me more than them and I must be the favorite and so on.
America is now becoming a third world nation and even with the prospect of a total money collapse they still run up their credit til the day they die never intending to pay it.
SUB:: Same to you
you won't run to the same excess of riot with them. And they speak evil of
you because of it. (1 Peter 4:4 )
SUB:: Merry Christmas?
Someone just wished me a Merry Christmas. (A
Yeah all my family critizes me for not getting a tree and kneeling down in front of it running with the crowd because after all "everybodies doin it"
Never mind "Learn not the way of the Heathen"
Mistletoe, Yull log burning, tinsel, Evergreens, candy canes, Catholic Saint Nicholas, wreaths hardly a soul knows what their meaning is.
Everyone forgets that King Herod was sending the wise men to find out when the promised seed would be born so he could kill the baby.
The parents ran to hide the baby, the wisemen were offering gifts to expose the baby's location and were scared to death and went the other way away from the King herod after an Angel visited them in a dream.
cHurches today tell you the wisemen were baring gifts and they were our example, so where is all yall's money folks, where are your gifts?
Demanding gifts in the form of money.
The people have a revolting and rebellious heart. They want the milk toast version of wooden lying cHurch.
I could go on and on but few want these truths and all because they are unwilling to separate from the world and suffer.
Suffer as evil doers because they are doing what is right and that lifestyle makes all these other fony cHristians look bad.
stair is singing the praises of his old mentor Gene
wouldn't bow down and worship him Mike. That's why he run you
SUB:: False Prophet
Ralph Stair is an unrepentant Lying false Prophet and that is the
word of the living God. I told ralph stair that he could not
continue telling people he qualified as God's man if he could not
perform the duties of a novice.
Ralph ran me off his farm in a few hours.
Scripture tells us that a false prophet says he speaks in God's
name and when the things spoken does not come to pass as
stated, the sheep are told not to fear that prophet.
This is because he is a false prophet speaking vainly so people
will worship him and follow him. This is the meaning in
scripture speaking lies or vanities. In other ways of putting this
the man who claims prophet status and repeatedly turns out to
be giving false predictions, is speaking from his own evil heart
for selfish purposes.
God said that HE would see to it that these type of men who speak vanities in HIS NAME end up suffering the evil that they themselves said their God would especially save them from.
These false leaders tell the flock that because they are so much
on the inside track with God and made their abode with HIM
that all that they speak IS GOD'S WORD. And even after their
date setting falls short of their so called words from God, they
always come up with some kind of excuse that gets them off the
hook. Their words mean nothing, they are like the wind.
These are the words of God.
This is how they speak vanities.
HE(GOD) is not going to spare ralph stair for playing with the
name Jesus to gain position and power so he can have any
woman at anytime as he has stated to the brothers.
Ralph is going to quite probably die in his sins the way he is
handling things at his false show ministry.
Many men have sexual weaknesses that they suffer and God
will forgive them, just as HE will forgive Ralph in Jesus name,
however these men are less than a novice and can never be
exalted to lead position as a best example for the younger in the
house of God.
This is common sense and the word of the living God.
Ralph is being slowly possessed by spirits that channel through
him and when ralph speaks he sounds for real because the evil
living there speaks without conscience from his being.
ralph probably can not repent because he is controlled by lying
spirits. This is the reward of channeling lying spirits his whole
Like so many men with position and power ralph has made
himself to look good in the eyes of others over money and acts
Many have been fooled. Money and position mean nothing to a
Godly man over against lies and deceptions.
God's people are sent to expose these dogs and expose them we
have. These souls are filling up their cups.
SUB:: Son of Man
ralph telling his congregation again most of them haven't been saved
FROM:: New Audio
FROM:: Pastor Dan C.
Also we have updated our site in the testimonies
stair says that we're persecuting him. And that
would be true if we didn't have anything to back up what it is we're
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Let me say that concerning the audio that Steve posted from Ralph Stair that he loves to mix his preaching with sexual talk.
I remember ralph's favorite phrase has always been directed at the young girls like this "He wants to come in unto you"
This phrase is found in scripture and is continually used by ralph over and over again as he looks into the eyes of his captives.
ralph has learned to catch the prey. First the prey must be held endless hours being bombarded with sexual slogans and must not be permitted to marry.
Oh ralph has married off 2 or 3 people in 20 years but he tells them all he will not do it and Brad and Stacey left the farm to marry. Went out of state and then returned to the farm.
ralph uses sexy statement to provoke various responses all inside of his inflamed perverted desires as we might expect from a prophet of Baal.
Infact the newspapers reported ralph stair to be a "prophet of baal" upon his arrest for forcing himself many many times on the young ladies at his farm.
Ralph will always talk sexual from his pulpit pushing some out so he can get some fresh meat into their seats.
ralph ran right up into Crickets trailer for another round of cat and mouse style sex all through his probationary proceedings when he was exposed as a sex offender by the farm dweelers and the media.
FROM:: New audio
Do you ever wonder? How many babies stair has
aborted or had aborted?
Dead fetuses Yeah stair's seen a lot of dead
Stair preaches from his OWN heart. He preaches about
himself. Thus, if he is lying and he knows it, he is preaching and telling
everyone 'you are a liar'. Thus Stair actually preaching to himself.
Telling himself that "Ralph, you are a liar."
Betrayal. Just below betrayed. Betrayal is going to come
Oh yeah ralph has always been chased down by angry
fathers, jealous husbands. he's lucky someone hasn't done him in
Yeah the motive will be unknown till that great gettin up
morning. Alot of those Preachers are womanizers like ralph told
his audience worldwide that he was being chased by a man with
a gun for overtaking his wife in a weak moment.
The wooden cHurch thing is one big soap.
Jesus and Paul were driven out of the organized assemblies.
Pastor shot and killed
Sword and Famine
Yes sir I want to point out the false prophet strategy.
Scripture says that the Prophet's prophecy lies saying
"Sword and famine will not come"
This is exactly what ralph stair states that God told him the
southern states would keep sword and famine away from their
group if they would move in and give all of their money.
Sword and famine has already overtaken the farm life spiritually
speaking. In the Old Testament war was in the phsyical and in
the New Testament our war is in the spirit.
Men living at the farms are reported to be working off the land
and taking drugs on the farms, going up into girls trailors, going
out to night clubs in the evening and early morning hours.
Drinking homemade wine and beer practicing drunken
The whole group overlooking and knowing these facts still
backing up ralph who is leading the way in this UnGodly
pattern, in "the name of the Lord"
The Lord did say that by sword and by famine that these
prophet's and the people following these prophet's would die by
Are not the farm members in spiritual famine by following lies
never seeing that their leader has prophecied lies in the NAME
OF THE LORD?
Shall not I visit for these things saith the Lord?
Yet they say come to our secret chambers and be safe.
The Lord has raised up the false prophet to test you to see what
is in your heart to see if you will follow the LORD or follow
Behold if they say come, the Lord (Jesus Christ) is in the secret
place at the farms, go not forth.
Many false Christ's and prophet's say that only their location
holds salvation in Christ like the Canady's farm leader ralph
says. In fact all of these related farms say that if you leave them
you are doomed.
Shall not I visit for these things "Saith the Lord"
When stair was locked up for two counts of CRIMINAL
SEXUAL MISCONDUCT (excuse the legal term) on two
teenage girls the only thing he could do was complain that he
couldn't get coffee
Yeah and let's not forget now "I just want to be a normal girl. I
want to have a boyfriend."
An old man with a yellow beard and broken teeth looks back at
her, "I will be your
Here is one definition of delusion that has ralph stair written all over it. ralph has all of the signs of dementia.
This infection is slow and sure and comes from living a sinful life away from God.
Sadly many of the vilest men who infect many innocent girls only suffer slight effects, while some of their many partners die at early ages.
Jesus will forgive and heal those who are repentant.
Electromedicine is now curing even HIV and AIDS through the use of microcurrents to charge the blood and disable all diseases including cancer..
Young people will be able to get free in time.
(taken from Latin, originally meaning "madness",
Dementia is not a single disease, but a non-specific syndrome with a set of signs and symptoms.
Some people become restless or wander about by day and sometimes at
A common symptom of dementia for dementia sufferers to deny that
Dementia comes when the bodies immune system is broken down, often by sexual contact of dozens of people in their lifetime.
Syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases damage the bodies ability to keep itself free from many other infections as well.
In the end wicked and adultrous activities will find out the victims as well as the forword perpetrator by a wide varity of symptoms.
The world is spiraling down into mental illness because of their inability to live a pure life.
As the years go by the state of mind is totally given over to these
delusionary spiritual forces.
Stair Prophecies Lies
FROM:: New audio
No Bro. Mike. You weren't hypocrites. You were under
the control and delusion of a mind-control freak. A real pro at his
FROM:: Hypo's (smile)
Okay I lived there at the farm 6 years and the last 2 the brunners wanted to leave and tried only to come back with faulty trucks.
The brunners can back in hours. Later they left again after more time spent in the dinninghall with ralph asking who else wanted to leave.
ralph started asking this question 2 years before they left in 1998,1999 somewhere approx.
Rienert, glasier, brunner, Higbee all knowing everything left out in the open with each getting plenty of money.
I believe it was done this way in exchange for their silence.
ralph has a way of intimidating folks and holding the money over their heads that they need to provide for their families upon exiting.
Rather than trusting God for a place to live and money to live on many are quick to fall under the condemantion of ralph's tactics.
In otherwords they were all asked over the telephones if they knew ralph had been using various young ladies and they acted like they knew nothing.
All who stayed that knew their families also left shortly told everyone later that these families knew everything.
So we were faced with a bare faced lie and yes I think it was because each one was forced to give his word if they were to get an ample sum that would remove any burden of living expenses.
This is the only thing that makes any sense.
ralph held these families several months wearing them all out day in and day out before he released the money that they needed.
Many of these family members displayed only a love for themselves and their families, where as Christians do not put their natural families before their brothers and sisters.
We were in a family of God or so we said but when the truth was revealed through testing even the biggest supposed pastor false brothers, false prophets were worse than the average getto neighbor hood stoners.
Out for their's man.
Make any excuse to make their actions Godly.
Like Thomas had said in previous messages brunner never warned him once.
The reason is that these families I mentioned above were conditioned for many months and told that the belford would take their place.
This was the big break they had been waiting for.
All men are hypocrites including me at one time or another.
Easy prey is what we all are.
The saints are in the process of being overcome.
That is why that farm is called the overcomer.
Show them the Back
People who help ralph defile another young lady in the name of
the Lord are no different than those who were judged for
building up the high places of Baal worship as recorded in
"Pray not for this people" Or "Stop bringing up these people"
before ME is what God said about Baal worshippers.
Instead of loving THE LORD THEIR GOOD with all their
hearts, they have been tested and shown to be creature
Scripture says that God told HIS Prophet that these people must
repent just like everyone else but they will not.
They are sealing their own judgment.
God said HE would show them HIS back and not HIS face
when they cry for deliverance on the day of destruction.
Mean while they take the easy way. That is hate.
I don't think they hate you so much there Mike. They
just have stair's person in admiration because of advantage. (Jude 1:16).
The advantage they receive of him.
Cop out Bros........
The folks on the overcomer hate me without a cause and do not want any of my words.
They have me all over the web and still the shut the truth out.
They have moses and the Prophets let these people hear them on their way at the man made overcome hell.
I won't pet these demonic pity pot attitudes
I told you that
stair's death would be the sign & seal that he was a
Kitchen Nightmares fan
Good day Bro Mike :-) I am a HUGE Kitchen
Nightmares fan and LOVE your analogy Bro Mike (I never would have thought
of that, cool)! You are right Dowell is a flesh and blood man, capable of
sin like all of us. We know and understand that, have warned him a few
times, have prayed and continue til this day to pray for him (we never
stopped)BUT like yourself that will not stop us from warning others. As
long as he is not walking in God's way, we will WARN others, lest their
blood be upon our hands, Amen?
FROM:: DO BOYS
Another thing, i did notice that one of his DO BOYS jsnip4
moved himself and his family (wife and daughters) to be closer to dear
leader in Feb. 2013. Think that only lasted a couple of months.
NOT SO straitway
Talking about leaving NOT SO straitway. I remember
seeing a video of him going to the races w/carol, chuck, and daughter. He
had the best of the best of gear, bike, truck and whatever else he need
there. Even a tent just for the cute little family.
FROM:: The Spirit
Hello Dear Gullible Sheep
I got pulled into a cult and experienced ralph stair the man and
all of his good and bad traits. Men by nature are sinners and
Preacher Dowell I am sure will agree.
Of course community leaders will agree with many things in a
verbal discussion and latter go completely against what they
said out of habits.
I got to say I used to be a bulley and didn't realize it so let me
share how it works.
Let's start with me and my 3 brothers. When we were coming
up I was the big brother. Loud, first to speak, out going,
verbally pushy. Grandma favored me more because I was the
first to jump onto her lap and I could never understand the
perspective Dad had telling me to get down and let the other
I was the biggest brightest out spoken little boy who only cared
about getting mine. I alway thought I was the smartest like
Grandma said and so fuels the fire of selfish behavior, the spoil
them rotten philsophy of human nature.
It took me 50 years to see clearly on this subject.
I knew it was wrong but I did the same things I had always done
never really figuiring out what I had done wrong most of the
time. It didn't take 50 years to stop being selfish but it did take
awhile to fix the broken attitudes between us, even though we
have always talked and been friends.
I don't care what man it is, that man is a man with the
weaknesses of men. The communes need out spoken men to
come into these places and fix the bad habits that go on day to
day without the person really knowing or seeing their errors.
Look at the "Iron chef" "Hells Kitchen nightmares" shows where all of the
people have huge sums of money tied up in restaurants, can't
keep customers because of bad attitudes and food.
It is the same with these communes. You have a one leader
ruler dictator who refuses to use the 5 fold ministry formula
given by God.
Hell's Kitchen nightmares is the best analogy comparing the best spiritual
food and Holy Spirit filled attitudes. Until the Holy Spirit is
permitted into the community to bring a first class meal backed
up by a living example, that community will be forever battling
with the old nature.
Dowel is a man and has good and bad point like all men and I
must say from personal contact with him that I have alway liked
the man. But he is a man with short coming like each and every
It is not to late for him. Pray for him as you report all of the
things YOU KNOW are wrong. I am sure you liked many things
Hell I like alot of things about R G Stair to, but I won't be
silenced and told to shutup when I see demons running that
Running a community without the order of GOD is impossible.
The order I am talking about is this.
More than one ministry leader with the leaders all in subjection
to one another.
No one man can cast anyone out without
witnesses and due process meaning a peroid of time.
All of the leaders work and pay for everything, never
commanding a false tithe as a way of getting out of working for
The leaders must do this for a peroid of years first and
"Give ALL" that they make to help others spiritually to get on
their feet away from drunkedness whoredom and so on.
The leaders must do this as an example or their high sounding
words in the Bulleypit are empty janglings.
The "Give All" command must start by example from the
leaders. These leaders who are then giving in this way for a
peroid of years can not save and damn any one person without
the ruling councils intervention.
Once away from the one man owner CEO corporation dictator
Roman Imperor worldly view of LAW AND ORDER, the spirit
of God can work miracles.
As long as one man owns it all and operates it "ALL" and is
commanding "GIVE ALL" it will not take a rocket science class
to understand the spirit of that ministry.
Fear of losing it "ALL" is why the leaders will not do it the other way, the way of God.
The leaders and I mean more than one MUST GIVE ALL first
without fear of losing it all because only then can they be
proven leaders who walk by faith.
In "Hells Kitchen" the owners have given up and let outsiders
come in,sitting the operators down so they can see it done
right. The visiting cook does not care about the old way things
were done by the failing management personal.
They come in with a perspective of honoring the basic princple
of "do unto others as you would have them put stuff on your
The spiritual food on the plate of these communities will always
have a bad smell and bad taste as long as men are not following
the order of God.
This is not possible because the communities have one "ALL
POWERFUL" head who will not humble himself in the spirit.
And let me say this is not an easy task. The best way to clear all
of this up as to what I am talking about is found in the scripture
concerning husbands and wives.
We as males learn to "give honour unto the wife", it starts with
listening to what the wife says out of love. If this is done there
will be action not just words.
If Christ has not been something they learn with their wives in
this way these males can never do the same thing with the
weaker or lesser members of the body of Christ.
The organizations formed in America called cHurches have
another Jesus and know nothing about what I am preaching
Jimmy Jones DO BOYS
Jimmy Jones Dowell
Good evening to all of you, I pray all is
well with you and your families.
First I have to correct Yanique on one thing
(no fault to her, just correcting any misunderstanding), we NEVER LIVED at
Straitway, but have visited twice. Our son Ajani also visited this last
Passover with one of the followers who traveled there (we paid her car
rental for her to go with her 2 children and she invited Ajani to ride
along) because he wanted to see his "friends" for the last time. We talked
to him before hand and he still wanted to go and see his "friends" because
he knew once we spoke out that their parents would have them shut him out,
Dear Leader Dowell and his followers practice
SHUNNING in a huge way. If Jimmy Jones Dowell SAYS to mark and avoid
someone, they do just that without question or hearing the other party's
side! Not Biblical at all!! But hey, they ARE commandment breakers so
Dowell is an avid false accuser, yet when
someone comes to him about something they HEARD from another source about
him (dowell) or one of his gift giving/ worshipping DO BOYS then he tells
them to not break the commandment by being a false accuser (though he sees
himself being excempt from this). Check out this video, "They Said", he
just put up a couple of days ago!
What a HYPOCRITE!!! THIS SHOWS
HOW HE IS DOUBLE MINDED AND UNSTABLE IN HIS WAYS.
What I think is scary is the
fact that after watching the documentary on the real Jim Jones, It just
oozed of Straitway, I felt sick to my stomach, no joke. At this time I
beleive many of his followers would FIGHT, KILL and/or DIE protecting him.
Dowell even has a Do Boy who is
now a private investigator (yes he is a legal PI) and does Dowell's DIRTY
work with looking up people and performing BACKGROUND checks!! This info
came from good friends of mine who have also left the ministry, they have
no reason to lie!
What I wonder is with ALL of
this traveling Dowell's doing (he just came back from Hawaii to so call
VISIT saints, mkay). How often do the others get to leave Straitway,
besides going to the LOCAL Walmart? How often do the children get to go
and do things like go to the movies, amusment parks, or even bowling or
roller skating? A few of the "sisters" who live on the commune don't even
have a DL, let alone a vehicle of there own. Dowell keeps a very tight
leash on them there, you can feel and see
Peace, Love and
FROM:: Reason why
I was thinking. The reason why GOD hardened dowells
heart and have him refuse to return OUR things (like Pharaoh refusing to
let his people go).
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Church and State
It has been brought to my attention that internal affairs of a
Church and it's members can only be ruled on by the state if it
involves ferderal crimes.
Unless followers can show criminal actions on the part of the
leadership, all internal misunderstanding must be dealt with by
the Church with the stae having no say about it.
According to the Attorney Generals office in SC. the leaders are
free to live anuway the group agrees on. So as long as no one is
commiting a federal crime all matter have to be decided on by
the Churches board of directors.
The state says that these issues of infighting and disagreements
are out of their hands to control and is the basis of separation of
Church and State .
The State says that the members musthandle their own
businessand that the State can not get involved with people
wanting their money back ETC.
In other words the STATE says that ONLY MEMBERS have
the right to change and make policy concerning Church affairs
if members feel things are not properly ordered.
The whole basis of separation from the gov/rule is that
Churches can make their own, so the board members must do
this if it is to be done.
Part of this process is that members have a voice to be heard
from so Church community life can be decided on. If the
members have only a small board with a few ruling members
and some followers do not agree then it is within their rights to
So what the State is saying is that if you don't like cult
community order then you should return to the States way of a
much more orderly control standard.
Or you could say that the STATE who is hearing victims talk
about what they feel is out of order, is saying "WE TOLD YOU
SO" or you should have not given yourselves over to a
commune, instead you should follow the State.
Sub:: slander and defame?
Here's the e-mail dowell sent to
the webpage owner, and why he took it down.
May I ask you a question, have I ever done you any
wrong? Apparently, Yanique thinks that I have, but I can prove without a
shadow of doubt that I have not done her wrong. She is according to the
Bible, allowed to tell her side of the story to the people of the Church,
"if I have done so" and they as well as myself would be glad to hear
I informed them that at this time I am not
ready to move forward with this. However this has not stopped and many
people are just out right tired of hearing these kinds of things. So I am
almost force to move forward. I do have the time and money to pursue legal
action against Phillip and Yahique Elliot. There is enough information on
the internet to do so.
Sub:: Voice of the people
Thank you very much Bro. Mike, for putting my Testimony up, i
didn't think it would get on by the way i did it. I've had a few contacts
that have also left dowell's CULT of DECEPTION. I meant "SHOULDN'T" about
dowell saying i shouldn't wear a bathing suit. After my testimony was put
up on dowellisstair(which has been taken down), I'll put up the e-mail
dowell sent to the owner of the webpage here. My testimony attracted
people who've escaped his grip, and the ones that are loyal to him. There
is this one his name is ROOFus, and he has such a polluted mind, telling
the owner of dowellisstair that he(should come and warm me up). He's very
VILE, and disgusting, just like dowell. They said somethings that was said
in PRIVATE DELIVERANCE, on the website. That just showed me and put the
FINAL NAIL in their COFFIN of DECEPTION, that they're not who they say
they are or proclaim to be. Now i see why many don't leave, whatever you
tell them they hold it over your heads as a tool to make sure you don't
After my testimony,
i guess his(dowell)daughter read it and she made a video on her youtube
page saying she was coming to TN to "OPEN A CAN OF WHOOP A**" on me, and
she also called into his blogtalk radio, saying "SHE'S PRAYING FOR THE
DESTRUCTION OF HER ENEMIES FLESH" (ME), even though she's never met me,
simply b/c i gave an accurate account of my experiences while staying
there, and the reasons why i left. I guess she's really her FATHER'S
DAUGHTER. She also made a video about homosexuality and how she has
friends that are great and none what people have said about them is true,
and that they are the nicest people you'll every meet. I wonder how her
father answers this when people ask about her views conflicting w/his? The
funny thing is, he never "CUT HER OFF" even though she's in the world,
like he tells his followers to do. So it's ok to split other families up,
but not his. DO AS HE SAYS, BUT NOT AS HE DOES, what a HYPOCRITE.
I also been talking to someone (Kathy) who just left his compound w/her husband and 2 children. She has a youtube page (skaismith) exposing her recent bout w/dowell. Instead of sticking w/the facts of the things she said, he makes FUN of her, and not addressing the things she speaks about, just like he did w/me. Some of the things she says, tells me he's only getting worse, and i just pray that some of those kids get out before it all goes bad. She says when she went there dowell took out our gun and showed it off and let them hold the ammo, and the guys that went to g.o.t.s 2012 had a blast shooting it. She asked 1 of the people there about the truck and they said it was a donation(what LIARS) just parroting everything the leader tells them. But she did let me know, that they are not driving it b/c they can't find someone to insure it. What irony, and how GOD works in mysterious ways, so he refuses to give back something he can't use. Just won't admit he was wrong.
THANKS VERY MUCH, it's nice to know
that i can be a hero to you or anyone needing help.All the testimonies on
the netteam helped us and i want mine to do the same. My husband always
said i was a shining star, and i try to be for anyone who needs it. I
would never give up on him or give him over to those VULTURES. That's the
husband GOD gave me and i wasn't gonna let some EARTHLY MAN take him away
from me w/out the fight GOD instilled in me. I think it was also a test to
see if i trusted and believed in the LORD and was thankful/grateful for
the husband he blessed me with. I'm my husbands HELP MEET, and was there
to help him "meet" this "devil"head on :))) I want my testimony read by
every and anyone looking for help in making a decision b4 moving or going
to any of these places. I have alot more to say, and will be posting more,
b/c he needs to be exposed like his mentor Stair.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Hi Kathy, Yanique and THE NET TEAM members.
It is very important that each of you let these pains all out into
the open so darkness maybe brought to light. Many of your
current interactions will be quickly forgotten with the passing of
time. Time obsures details and after 12 years leaving the stair
farm the staute of legal limitation has been reached.
Of course the leaders of these communities feel that their better
homes are part of the double honor given to the ministry heads,
also the leaders bring in sinners who they hope to win over just
as Jesus would do, hanging out in the bar.
The leaders say they feel this is a wise action keeping friends of
those outside as a way of shining a light to them. Of course gifts
and favors are part of their friendship and I can understand that
Another position the leaders hold to is "if someone gives
something to the ministry it will not be refunded" or will not
replace it. I realize that the people give everything from extra
shoes to entire bank account and most of this stuff gets used up.
The sugar eating and GMO is a strugle to keep out of our diets.
I know that many of the people leaving the farms did not know
what they were getting themselves into and are later tormented
by the excessive domination and micromanagement tactics.
It becomes impossible for them and the leaders can always find
others who want into their farm.
All I am saying is that there is another side to this discussion
and any of the leaders are welcome to give their side. These
points I have mentioned are just a few of how the people living
at these farms veiw the leaders interactions with worldly men.
Some men need a tax write off and any ministry can provide
these statements while some want to see the place.
I know most of the communities have double honor for the
leader they call it with half the membership upset about it.
I personally feel that the leaders use tithes and offerings
messages plus the "give all" command to gain substances.
What they are to do with what is given to their ministry is found
in scripture. Tithing is taught as a command just as the "give all"
The Tithing command was for the LEVITICAL preisthood not for the Christians era.
To me this shows who and want they serve. ALL churches.
|NAME:: Kathy Smith
Good Day everyone, I pray all is well
with you and your families. I haven't disappeared but have taken my coming
out about Pastor Dowell aka Jim Jones via Youtube. Sister Yanique and I
have spoken via messaging and we 100% believe her Bro Mike :-) Dear Leader
Dowell is now a FULL BLOWN CULT LEADER! He bashes his own "saints",
calling them names, intimidating and berating them every service, smh!
It's a shame. I too have gotten calls and messages from those who are
LOOKING for there friends and family who just cut themselves off from them
after becoming involved with Dear Leader Dowell and from those who have
also left but are either still sitting on the fence with Dowell or have
already left QUIETLY (out of fear, I'm sure).
Power to the people
2 Chronicals 10:15
So the king hearkened not unto the
people: for the cause was of God, that the LORD might perform his
word, which he spake by the hand of Ahijah the Shilonite to Jeroboam the
son of Nebat.
16 And when all Israel saw that
the king would not hearken unto them, the people answered the king,
saying, What portion have we in David? and we have none inheritance in the
son of Jesse: every man to your tents, O Israel: and now, David, see to
thine own house. So all Israel went to their tents.
17 But as for the children of Israel that dwelt in
the cities of Judah, Rehoboam reigned over them.
19 And Israel rebelled against the house of David
unto this day.
FROM:: Easy Pickens
Hi again Yanique
Good girl stand by your easy going man.
Hats off to you my fair lady.
It is the people like you who make THE NET TEAM an
important page on the internet. God loves you for your courage.
So many have left Dowell and they are "afraid" to share.
I get phones calls and letters but none of them are stable
enough to shine their light in this dark world. They just don't
think God can protect them.
You are my hero Yanique, and the Lords witness against
those who claim to be Christians. If you only knew everything
about these ministries that are or were connected to stair, you
would know, that the leader has all of the power and this is
against the word.
You are young and maybe you can recover what was stolen
someday and is a small price to pay to be in the school of hard
On the other hand what was stolen could cost Charles
Dowell his soul, so God uses HIS sweethearts as easy prey so
the wolf has someone to bulley and steal from.
Charles, you need to give that back.
We know the way the leaders are, we all lived there.
Looking back many have asked God why?
I just gave you the answer. They are without excuse now.
Trust me it won't be the last time that these men feel free to
take from others who seem easy to get it away from.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Yanique Letter
I received these parts out of order and tried my best to get it right. Please send future copies directly to firstname.lastname@example.org or to my wife Tammy at email@example.com these email addresses can also be found at www.thenetteam.net if you lose these addresses.
Great work on expressing your honest evaluation. You and I are to judge righteous judgment. Excellent. You are very sharp, I like your details. You are one or very few sisters who can actually write down the feeling we all get on these farm/dictatorships.
Please for your sake and for those who can not write keep us informed as other events surface in your heart.
Thanks for sharing. When we look at scripture we find that your writing is cold drink of water for those with Jesus living in them.
Mark 9:41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
Michael Rowland at www.thenetteam.net
Ok where do I start. I was doing some food preparation search on
youtube in April of 2011, and came across this person saying they r a
pastor and showing how to seal a mylar bag with storable food. I checked
out some more videos and they were interesting, especially because it was
a pastor doing preparations. So i showed my husband some of the videos and
he was interested, and for about 3 weeks, kept saying we need to go and
visit and see what this was all about. We live in East Tennessee, so it
took us about 21/2hrs.-3hrs to get there. We finally made the trip on
Saturday April 29th and arrived at 11am for service, it was down a little
road off the beaten path called pumpkin town lane. We got there and parked
our car in the gravel drive adjacent to the church, then we walked up to
the first set of doors and realized we had to remove our shoes, then we
opened the other set of doors leading in the hall of the church, where u
can use the bathroom, get some water, sit in a couch, or congregate with
the other members. We met some of them, but just said hi because service
had almost started and people were on their knees, some whaling, some
praying and some crying, and this was new for me so i just took it all in.
Then we went to one of the rows of chairs and got on our knees and prayed
some, then sat on my chair, then Doug(the call him elder) came and told me
i have to be on my knees, so i complied since i didn't know what was going
on and this was my first time. As we waited there for about 20-25 mns a
pounding of the ground started to come up the hall way, so i peeked
underneath my hand and saw a foot with black socks and some colorful
pants. Then i heard something being put on a table, then the tapping on a
mike, like checking it to make sure it worked. Then the voice started
praying, then we were told that we can stand and great one another. Of
course everyone came over and met us and welcomed us, and they were very
nice. All the women and girls wore long dresses and covered their heads, I
saw this on the videos on Youtube so, out of respect for them and their
place I did the same. But there was one family there that stood out, it
was a mother (cindy), husband(ed) daughter(misty)and her 2 children, they
were dressed differently, especially the daughter and mother, the daughter
wore what they would call dress of the world meaning (shirts were too
tight, and skirts weren't plain enough and they both just wore a scarf
wrapped around the perimeter of their heads, and never covering their
hair, like the women that lived there on the compound. They lived off the
compound in a big beautiful brick home with a pool and 25 acres and a
garage where the husband ran his mechanic shop out of, it's a beautiful
place, and had all the comforts of the world including television.
Anyways after service that morning we congregated in the hall, drank
water and met everyone there and they spoke to us and welcomed us and
asked us a bunch of questions, they all seemed nice, and the children
loved me and i loved them and played with them. Then after being there for
a while, dowell came out to the hall with his wife and they greeted us,
for me there was just such an uneasy feeling, as if he was undressing me
with his eyes, or(sizing me up) and in his eyes it looks like he was
planning on what to do with me. Then i talked myself out of that because
as we were taught , that it was the devil trying to get bad thoughts in my
head, so i ignored it and went on, because my husband was having a good
time and listening to all the people and talking with the other guys. So
after we got done talking we were told we could come down to the dining
hall and have lunch with them, so we got in our car, and that's when we
got to go on the land where they live. We entered the gate and saw the
first home on our so right it was tan or yellow block home, then directly
across was a metal trailer, then down the gravel road on the right a green
house and left another trailer, then next to that trailer a work shop, and
more trailers and a basketball court leading to the dining hall. When we
got inside the women were in the kitchen preparing the food while the men
sat around and the children played. We got to sit at the table with dowell
and his wife and that white family, that I talked about earlier. I felt
awkward because i know the other people were looking at us and i feel as
if they were no longer special and now we were getting all the attention,
that's just how I felt . Anyways that's when we started getting told about
the bible, and my husband asked about wearing of jewelry, and dowell told
him to turn to a scripture and read where i think one of the apostle told
the people to take off all their jewelry, and dowell told me to look
around and c that none of the women were wearing earrings, so I quickly
took mine out so not to stand out and seem defiant, and not embarrass my
husband, because women r to listen to their husbands. That's fine I do
listen when I don't know what I'm talking about or when it comes to his
department and make decisions with my husband, but I do have a brain too i
can think for myself. The day went on and we went down to dowell's house,
it is the block one as we entered the property on the right. Went inside
and it was beautiful, just like the (world's house) as he calls it,
3bdrms, 1 used as an office 2bths, the one by the front door is a guess
bath, and it was as if u were in a hotel, clean and decorated, it was hot
so the AC was going, there was a flat screen in the living room (but he
says he doesn't use it) a couch a love seat and a recliner. We all sat
down and talked about ourselves, and of course they told us about
themselves. It was dowell his wife carrol, cindy, misty, ed, tyler(that's
their son). I took a liking to them because they didn't seem so docile,
and empty like the rest of the of the people and they actually held a
conversation without letting u know u were of the world and how u needed
to change. The daughter i thought was very rebellious for their standards
so i was surprised they let her be there, but i like it, i felt like i had
someone to relate to and she was my age. They would talk back to dowell
and cindy and carrol had a relationship like sisters and that they didn't
have with the other people that lived on the compound or not that I saw.
We went home late that night like many nights to come leaving there around
12 and 1 in the morning, and trying to drive home, but eventually had to
stop at some rest stops to get sleep and then drive the rest of the way
when we woke up, i hated doing that and told my husband, but he just
always got caught talking or doing something there, and i told him it's
not good to stay so late and try to drive home.
So dowell likes to talk and make videos that my husband gave him the
truck which is a lie, he just coveted it and it fit in with all his
militancy, so he didn't wanna give it back. I would have not drove it down
if my husband told me he was gonna give it away, b/c it was also mine. My
husband went back and tried explaining to him that we had
miscommunications and that he was at fault, even though a week or so
before dowell himself was councelling me and my husband about
communication and that it was one of the reasons for divorce. Then on the
other hand he says it's the man's decision. We all know for a fact that's
not true, b/c if he decided to do this community carol had to make the
decision to go along with him, so they both had to decide, it wasn't just
him, b/c I didn't c a ball and chain on her when I was there.
I remember one time in the dining hall when I first got there or maybe
it was the second time, I tried to go in the kitchen and see what help I
could offer the women, and they made me feel so worthless, like I was no
good and never set foot in a kitchen before b/c I was a woman of the
world. The only one that acknowledge me was the 15 yr. old Sky, she gave
me something to do and told me I could take some stuff out the fridge, and
bring them out and she even showed me where to put it on the table. I
wanted to help but I can tell I wasn't welcomed. I told one of the girls
there(Ashley) why I didn't go help anymore b/c when I tried no one made me
welcomed, and she said that some of the women that was their only job and
they didn't want to feel like u were taking their job, and I was fine with
that. Also there was another time when dowell was talking with granny
gaston (that's what they called her) by the fridge at the entrance of the
kitchen, and I was sitting at the table in the center of the dining hall
next to the door leading outside, talking to 1 of the guys (ashley's)
husband, and I noticed dowell kept looking my way, then he finally yelled
out my name saying come here, all bossy. So I went over there and he said
to clean the counter and help in the kitchen, and I didn't want a repeat
of what happened before, but I did it anyway, b/c my husband wasn't around
and I didn't know where he was. I never liked going down to dowels house,
b/c we always got stuck there, and end up leaving too late.
That family that lived off the compound invited us to their property
and we went over a couple of time, and they showed us around. But most of
the time we went with them was b/c my husband was deciding to move down
there, and was looking around to buy a place, and they would show us
around. I was never into moving there, b/c we were building our home here
and I didn't want to sell it like they always told us, b/c I love our
place and didn't want or have the money to buy and build another. They
were telling us that when the SHTF we didn't want to be far away, we
needed to be close so that we could have help if things went to hell, and
of course my husband thought that sounded great. So eventually he moved
all our preparations down there to their house and put it in their crawl
space under their house, and made dowell hold all of our money in his
safe, even though we had our own, and I told him I don't think that's
right b/c we haven't known these people but a couple of months and people
change, but he didn't listen, and moved all our stuff, I was so
heartbroken b/c I felt like he listen to them and make decisions with them
and left me out of the picture. But I love my husband and I was gonna stay
by him and not let these people take advantage of him, b/c he has a very
giving heart and is very trusting. At this time he was going thru a lot
and needed me, and they knew this and try to take advantage of
So even though dowell likes to make videos and tell everyone the reason
why I left was because I couldn't wear a bathing suit was a COMPLETE LIE,
and he knows it, because he didn't wanna address any of the real issues
why we left.
So one service I didn't go with him, but I baked a cake and send it
with him, b/c I just wasn't into being bashed another service and the
drive was too long, but it was like he was controlled and couldn't say no
and stay home with his wife even though I asked him not to go. I kept this
from everyone until I couldn't anymore, then I started to do some research
about dowell, because he always says to check him out, b/c the only thing
you'll find out about him was that "he was in the airforce for 10 yrs. And
married to his wife for 25 yrs. And he may have gotten one speeding
ticket). I tried and didn't find much, but one day I finally told the
builder of our house a good friend that told me he would talk to my
husband, b/c he didn't want him to go astray. He met my husband at our
local mcdonald's one night, and gave him that article from dowell being
interviewed by jim searcy. You can find this at the wild world of
religion, dowell says " If u don't have spiritually discerment there's no
way, NO WAY , u can be a leader of a spiritual community, it's just not
Sub:: Presbyterian Church
I guess we're far past all the
UPC dance and Christmas videos but I can't help that something doesn't
seem right here.
This is a lot closer to what you
should expect at a UPCI.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
|NAME:: Bro Mike
According to scripture the legal system has done violence to the
LAW. The Law that I am talking about recorded in the Bible is
the Law of God, not the current system Laws.
Matt 6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a
trumpet (ralph saying he is THE VOICE) before thee, as the
hypocrites do in the synagogues andin the streets, that they
may have glory of men. Verily I sayunto you, They have their
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the
corners of the streets, that they may be seen (ralph weeping
fony covering up his true nature) of men.
say unto you, They have their
16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad
countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may
appear (ralphs claim for 25 years he was and old penniless old
clothes poor preacher) unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you,
They have their
Matt 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men:
for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are
entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
devour widows' houses (ralph stealing from Dolly and Sister
Walker and so many more), and for a pretence make long
prayer: therefore ye shall receive the
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is
made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell (Those
remaining with ralph after knowing the judgement of God)
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within
they are full of extortion (trickery used to gain unlawful
entry) and excess.
|NAME:: Thomas belford
Ralph's power and longevity "his GOD".
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Huckster stair
You see the supreme court ruled against the people for money
stating that the people and the overcomer cHurch will have to
work it out separate from the state.
The State made a statement like this
"If the people got infatuated with this prophet and gave their money to him and later wanted it back is no concern of the State."
The court is well aware of what they consider to be our mental instability for thinking the return of Jesus could be near.
People willing to give up all based on what some leader says is
the end times are putting themselves into a category by average
folks of a deceived or at least deluted person.
Of course ralph is well aware of the legal aspect of sheep being
fleeced and how defenseless to protect their rights they become.
According to the state the acts were considered detestiable,
while they stood by and did nothing. The courts did get alot of
money out of ralph during all of these proceedings and this
made quite an impact on the shortwave listeners.
Yes ralph stair is well within his legal rights to continue on the
way he always has especially if more folks give him more
money to wiggle out of his next jam if need be.
The only problem ralph has is that he is facing eternal
destruction after having lived a long and very unrepentant
life and of course is completely unaware of it.
Remorse would require ralph to return what he has stolen for
openers and ralph is very proud.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Sexy Ralph
Oh yeah without conscience ole ralph will nail down a sister on
his way to worldwide service where he has alway declared
"This is the voice of the last day prophet of God to mankind
worldwide "The Kindom of Heaven is at Hand"
Like Benny Hinn R G stair learned to make the big from David epley http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Epley
The big me false doctrine of preacher creature worship is all that is out here today. To prove that statement test the spirits to see it they are of God.
Numeral uno: Does the Preacher You think is of God work full time like Paul and give tot he poor when needed or is it the other way around?
Numeral two: Or does your stinky so called pastor sit around on his lying false doctrinal statment with his hand out?
2 Cor 12:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you;
and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but
you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the
parents for the children.
See Paul had the care of all of the Churches that were mostly
underground and yet he worked as a tentmaker.
18:3 And because he(Paul) was of
the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought (worked) : for by their occupation (Job) they were tentmakers.
It's not just ralph who is sitting around collecting practicing
extramarital sex, using drugs and taking in big money all in
Any Preacher man going against scripture
WILL be corupted. It is only a matter of time and the reports
rralph has lived his entire life falling into one sin after another with the young ladies at his farm as he goes right on drawing in more fish to fillet.
1 Sam 2:21
.....................................And the child Samuel grew before the
22 Now Eli was very old, and heard all that his sons did unto all
Israel; and how they lay with the women that assembled at the
door of the tabernacle
of the congregation.
This is the same story recorded in scripture
Sub:: Logan, Utah
Yesterday night I heard RG Stair ranting on the shortwave.
Have not heard him in several Years.
Seems he's still up to his old tricks of long ago promoting
himself as a 'prophet' one moment and a current events news
and information commentator the next in between pre-recorded
pleas for money an calling people liars and stupid.
How can anyone listen to this shyster he's so transparent all he
wants is their money and permission to tell them what to say,
think and do while he says "do as I say but NOT as I do!" in so
many words. I thought this con-artist was long gone. Guess not.
Same old stuff
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: cHuRch Leaders
Matt 22:14 For
many are called, but few are chosen.
15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might
entangle him in his
Matt 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not
beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the
Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
Matt 16:7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is
because we have taken no bread.
Matt 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard
his parables, they
perceived that he spake of them.
46 But when they
sought to lay hands on him,
Matt 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying,
Matt 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when
he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are
like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful
outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but
within ye are full of hypocrisy and
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because
ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres
of the righteous,.............................
Mark 3:6 And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took
counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy
7 But Jesus withdrew himself with his disciples to the sea: ....................................
Luke 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason,
saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies?
Luke 5:30 But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his
Luke 6:7 And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether
he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an
accusation against him.
Luke 11:43 Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the
uppermost seats in the synagogues, and
greetings in the markets.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: "Christ"-ians Only
John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the
works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me,
and I in
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out
Matt 8:34 And, behold, the whole city came out to meet Jesus:
and when they saw him, they besought him that he would
depart out of their coasts.
Matt 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your
words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the
dust of your
Matt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, ]
Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for
the devil and his angels:
Mark 1:45 But he went out, and began to publish it much, and
to blaze abroad the matter, insomuch that Jesus could no more
openly enter into the city, but was without in desert places: and
came to him from every quarter.
John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and
walked no more with him.
John 11:53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together
for to put him to
54 Jesus therefore walked no more openly..............................
Matt 26:56.........................................................Then all the
disciples forsook him, and
Matt 6:2 ..................................... as the hypocrites do in the
synagogues and in the
Matt 15:7 Ye hypocrites...........................................................
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and
honoureth me with their lips; but their
heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship
Luke 4:16................................................. he went into the
synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up
for to read.
Mark 6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to
teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister,
and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the
synagogue were fastened on
Luke 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this
scripture fulfilled in your
Luke 4:28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard
these things, were filled with
29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto
the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might
cast him down headlong.
30 But he passing through the midst of
them went his way,
John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me
before it hated
Sub:: Sister Yanique
Concerning Sister Yanique I have been looking to hear the rest
her testimony and it was abruplty ended, did they get scared
I know Dear Leader of Tenn was threatening to sue
them, etc. Has
anyone done a well check on them at all?
Yeah that's the way most churches have
Look that them
pastors in the video sitting on the stage
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Upc Dance Video
Now referring to the dance video at the UPC gospel party for teens. These people watch hollywood MTV almost everyday.
I know because in the 80's I watched it and for 25 years I have
cut off the blapper box. This media device is the weapon on
choice to destroy the minds of the youth right under our noses.
A steady stream of worldly gyration, rap,rock,bop with words
being hidden til the song is embeded into their minds.
Unless the outside contact with the worldly government forced
schools is forsaken, along with the boob tube, people who are
aspiring Christians will end up as one of the three seeds fallen
by the wayside.
A Christian can not maintain fellowship with good and evil at
the same time. Breaking away from the unending forms such as
HOLIDAYS that are not holy leaves little time left.
Jesus said that these traditions make void the commands
The command is to love the self existant one with all of our
being, so mixing that with the imagery of the MTV media is
conflicting for our youth.
Parents have little understanding of what I am talking about and
by the time they finally wake up it is to late to reach their loved
ones that needed an example.
Let's take my Jordy Boy sitting over here. He comes across
video's on youtube and he asks me what is wrong about it and I
tell him of each thing that violated God's word.
He knows that men wearing long hair is wrong not to mention
that he things it's discussing anyway. Do you thing the UPC
teens are told?
What they are told it is wrong with words and keep right on
watching it and going along with it. Teen boys grow long hair.
The point is that it is not a big deal to the UPC if they watch
Big mistake, Big mistake.
Even Jordy (9Yrs) is light years ahead of most preachers living today.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Wow Josh No contest you are obviously a man of experience
and wisdom. Hats off to someone who has paid full price for his
gold. A woman needs to be gentley loved by their man so they
can gain more confidence. Like you say most of them make
up because they don't like their natural beauty.
These are not damning isses as you have pointed out.
First, I have to agree that makeup can't be prohibited
scripturally. But there are some women who have believed it is
wrong for a long time. Were they to transgress what they
believed to be wrong, their consciences would be defiled. I
don't condemn them and, hopefully, in time they will not
who have liberty.
In 1997, the youth of the church I attended went on a mission
trip to India. It was the sort of church that didn't have any
standards in particular. However, during our time working over
there, none of the girls wore makeup. When "church time"
came on Sunday morning, that was the time for them to primp.
My initial reaction was that they looked like a bunch of clowns.
Now, that isn't the kind of thing I would think nowadays but the
point is this 17 year old boy had become accustomed to each of
Women are prone to self-esteem issues so if they need the
makeup, that's fine. But in most cases, they don't need it and
they need to
As far as women wearing pants in the UPC during or after a
service, it does happen. This is what happens when this "law"
isn't in these individuals' hearts. But it is not a practice that is
encouraged or condoned in the leadership. Usually (but not
always) women who wear pants in the
UPC are new converts.
I don't think that sort of dancing shown in the videos posted is a
common occurrence in the UPC. Most pastors maintain a
"platform standard" that prevents whatever that was.
Sub:: Sunday Dress
Dresses are optional, only on "Sunday go ta meetin" time
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: UPC XMAS
The UPC is not the CHURCH of Jesus, they have a wooden
structure and the true Church is not made with hands. I know
they say these very word while saying also Christians better
come and pay in or they are not any of Christ's.
Their multitude of lying doc's like forced faulse tithing paying is
a good starting point to see who they really serve. This refers to
the heads of the organization.
The sheep are there for fellowship and don't know much about
doctrinal brands when they come.
The cHurch made of wood permits women to cut their hair and
wear pants, shorts, encourages XMAS, EASTER,
HALLOWEEN, VALINTINES DAY, ST PATTIES DAY,
THANKS GIVING SLAUGHTER DAY and so on.
These days are all promoted as Godly as if there were some
kind of scriptural referrence for them to keep the people
Tithe is paid in dollars and not in food items to continue the
levitical preisthood functions according to the UPC.
ALL OF THE WOODEN CHURCHES DROVE JESUS OUT!!
Later Christian only met house to house to stay alive.
Same today, if you want to be alive spiritually, a Christian must
keep away from the lies brain washed into the various brands of
Some of the women I see without make up in those
organizations look like truck drivers. They wear boots and jeans
like a man, no make up, hair shorter than mine.
The gays flock to these places and you will never know it.
Especially the gay woman playing the male part in her
relationship with another girl. The other girl playing her partner
will find a more fitting cHurch to help HER blend in with the
way she looks at God. Maybe a cHurch that promotes dress
wearing but short hair is okay.
Give me a name of a preacher and I can show what these
maistream false prophets have said and how they are called liars
by God himself.
Jesus was forsaken and driven out of the braodway cHurches.
The narrow way is where 2or 3 are gathered in Jesus name.
Your mainstream cHurch promotes multimillions to be saved.
This is a lie. Few there be that find it.
According to the UPC they are the few. Yet when they all meet
in the market place each one knows that the other only wears
their dresses for the few minutes in services as they all wear
pants any other time.
The common defense starts out with doing gardening work,
riding a horse and so on.
Then the hair issue of cutting is all relative to who it is. Hair is
cut regularly to mid-lengths and not considered wrong, yet the
whole tradition is hypocritically enforced as if it a mark of
Oh - well if the gays come in with short hair who knows
right, they are heathens and nobody knows who they are
anyway right? The preach has to be careful to except them in to
win them while they never intend to hear the word of God.
Year after year of folks with heathenistic views, the preacher
never saying much against it and the saints fellowshipping with
them after cHurch.
We are all human and if you take away one thing from a
beginning Christian that you think will shelter them from evil,
they will find some other way of expressing their ungodly
Once the inside gets informed as to who God is and repents the outside follows.
Sub:: UPC Traditions
Traditions are not of themselves
When I see a woman come into a church
with caked on makeup and decked out like the world everything within me
says that's not of God...
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: My fair one
Who's the whore in this Bible passage? I thought Christians
were to be more prim and proper?
Song 5:5:1 I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse: I
have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my
honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my wine with my
milk: eat, O friends; drink, yea, drink abundantly, O
2 I sleep, but my heart waketh: it is the voice of my beloved
that knocketh, saying, Open to me, my sister, my love, my dove,
my undefiled: for my head is filled with dew, and my locks with
drops of the night.
3 I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on? I have washed
my feet; how shall I defile them?
4 My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my
bowels were moved for him.
5 I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with
myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the
handles of the lock.
You want me to pull up the rest of these would be sacrilegious
quotes that are so graphic?
Face up, most people do not know what God is like.
Confusion of faces is what we have today.
I want HIS face, not some good work formula.
I have been a wicked man and seen many things and I can tell
you what saves and damns the soul.
Demons rule the world we live in using the majority of the
people as their hands and feet with religion no exception.
Continue like you are Steve, striving. At least you are fervent to
know which way is right and are not afraid to open your mouth
to share what got into your heart.
Guard your heart is the command, but something will always get
in that should not be there to test our levels of arrogance as
All of us males are wired up the same way.
However after you have grown older in the Lord as I have you
learn that most of what you thought you knew was based on the
learning you got from teachers who had other agenda than truth.
This is the normal beginners lazy way to learn everything the
hard way. God's way of teaching us we need no other teacher
than the spirit. It will lead and guide you when you are directed
into the beer garden to have one and talk to sinners.
Say that to Herbert and he would have some more trash to
dump on his religious prisoners.
Even the very elect are under pressure to receive false doc's and
potentially be deceived.
The heat is on. I know more now after 40 years as an aspiring
minister that I still have much more to go to get everything right
Still learning and sharing what I can with you.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Need a Preacher
The idea that Jez and other figures from scripture are why
Christians don't use makeup because these
are worldly girls is the non thinkers view.
For instance some of these passages say the woman dresses up
and others say they sat on a couch and or bed.
Or they fixed their hair and so on, fixing is bad then right?
So the assumption for using the Bible where it states "love not
the world things" means to them or should that they can not
have a Mcdonalds happy meal because the world loves them.
The world loves steak and eggs for breakfast just like me, so am I lost and need to repeat?
No all of these THINGS God has given can be used right or wrong it is about the inside(Our Hearts)
The UPC and Armstrong taught women were dirty if they looked nice.
Ralph follows Herbert.
Herbert was mainstream cHurchianity.
Those forms will not save your soul, look away from them.
Jesus walked right into the bar and ordered a drink. Jesus was
looking inside their hearts knowing they would get cleaned up
on their own over time.
Okay one more.
Jez looked out the window right?
Looking out the window must be a sin then if thiese scriptures
are to be follwed in their purest sense.
The point is that all of these doctrines are based on faulty
reasoning, putting everyone who does not obey that group at
risk of damnation.
One group rides their hobby horse on the way you may have
Another group focuses on their verson of the holy ghost where
they all shutter on the floor slang in some kind of spirit.
This is why God has given us Preacher who are not mainstream.
Like me steve, I hate the mainstream lies and yet on the other hand I love you enough to reach out to you to help you gain a greater understanding.
Exactly where I was you are is where I was 40years ago
growing up in the 1960's Baptist cHurch. They even said
dancing was a sin, while the Pastor was using the young ladies
when he could. Well he did that 7 years later after the cHurch
was formed and built.
The scripture also says not to put holes in your flesh by printing
tattoo marks after making gashes.
The printed marks found in your defense referr to the practices
of the heathen where they gashed their flesh to they could add
paint print or color.
So again fauly reasoning and THUS the need for a non
mainstream Preacher WHO IS NOT OUT TO BUILD
NUMBERS TO RAKE IN DOLLARS.
Girls primping in another subject or looking out windows ect.
|NAME:: SDA Ruling
Sub:: UPC Ideas
UPCSDA Doctrines as well
Unitied Pentecostal Church
You see, this is the problem with UPC theology: It’s a house of
cards. The UPC has made the claim that they and their affiliates
are the only ones who possess Truth. But what happens when
they find out that something they taught as Truth was wrong? It
throws everything else into question! If they can be wrong on
one point then they can be wrong on other points as well.
I believe that this is what is happening with make-up. The UPC
has been backed into a corner. More and more people are
seeing that there is absolutely nothing wrong with wearing
make-up. There’s no Scriptural basis for not wearing it, and
there’s no logical reason for not wearing it. Now the UPC is
forced to defend a doctrine that makes no sense, because if they
back off this doctrine then it might cause their members to
doubt other doctrines as well.
This is why I believe that the Bible should be the ultimate rule
of authority. If I find that I’ve misunderstood something in the
Bible then I have no problem changing my beliefs. I don’t claim
to have a monopoly on Truth. I claim that Jesus is the only way
to God, not any one Christian denomination!
Folks, God doesn’t care whether or not you wear make-up! If
He cared then He would have put it in the Bible! If you are a
woman who feels that God does not want you wearing make-up
then that is between you and Him, but God never gave any
organization the right to dictate a doctrine that has no Scriptural
basis as being necessary for salvation!
UPC SDA Doctrines as well
Unitied Pentecostal Church
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Pediphile Prostitute
That is wrong. It is in the same class as women wearing pants
that are pulled up to the moon in a wedgie or crack. The
purpose for jeans is to attract men at a glance.
Women who wear pants are wearing mens clothing and girls
taught to wear black eye liner paint 1 inch thick are being
taught the standard whore makeup used for centuries.
There is no right way to teach children whoredom. Whores cut
their hair in Bible times and took special drugs to enlarge their
already big eyes.
This was known by the men looking so they didn't talk to the
wrong girl and become entangled with the law.
There are many other signs connected with prostitution that
are meant to advertise their services in exchange for money.
The link you gave of children being MADE UP with looks of an
older woman who is a hooker when they are 5 years is wicked.
These teachings come from the controlling elite who are
grooming children to fit their clientele. These people are busily
engaged in sex magic to gain power serving their gOd lucifer.
Any one with the spirit of God knows when they see those little
children that they are being instructed by demonic spirits
coming from there parents.
Proverbs 7:10 And, behold, there met him a woman with the
attire of an
harlot, and subtle of heart.
Sub:: Tots TV programming
we can talk about this till we're blue in the face
|NAME:: Brother Mike
Sub:: Beautiful Bad Girl
Now continuing on with our discussion concerning a woman
beautifying herself with broidered work, silver, Gold, you name
it, all of the finest a girl could have that even the heathen took
Here it looks like God permits nice things on a girl because
HE specifically puts it ALL on her saying that She is a beauty.
In the New Testament is says that the hidden man of the heart
is not on the external as many would have us think. Paul was
drawing an analogy or a comparison.
The comparison was that competing sisters getting all dolled up
was a haughty practice and did not reflect the meek and lowly
heart of the Spirit of Jesus.
So again what we have that God has given us is being tested
daily to see if we are using our gifts in a Godly fashion
Men are the dominate ones, strong and handsome while a
woman is soft, submissive and gorgeous, both species can not
change what God has done.
The purpose of this life is to see who will properly use their
gifts to honor God and not love and exercise the devices very
oppressive natural forces that lead to creature worship.
God gave us a lustful beast nature with all of it's potential charm
and magnetism to give us time to use our gifts of our own
freewill to worship God with.
There must be the wrong way open to each of us to make this
test. Removing jewels and gold and fine clothing does not
produce a purity for the hidden man of the heart.
Somehow men have it in their heads that if they make their
woman go round with plain faces and no beatiful ornaments that
this will keep their hearts pure before God.
If the hidden man of the heart of a woman becomes pleasing to God it will be when she has an example from her husband long enough to catch onto the process. This will take both of them a lifetime.
Have fun rejoice and give the glory to God.
Ezek16:15 But thou didst trust in thine own
beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out
thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and
deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot
thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be
17 Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my
gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself
images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,
18 And tookest thy broidered garments, and
coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before
19 My meat also which I gave thee, fine flour,
and oil, and honey, wherewith I fed thee, thou hast even set it before
them for a sweet savour: and thus it was, saith the Lord
|NAME:: Brother Mike
Sub:: Good Girl Gone Bad
Here we read of God's best given to HIS bride and later she
took all of these gifts and used them to serve the devil but the
gifts and calling are not evil nor removed by the giver.
Ezek 16:8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee,
behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt
over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee,
and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and
thou becamest mine.
9 Then washed I thee with water; yea, I thoroughly washed
away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with
10 I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with
badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I
covered thee with silk.
11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon
thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.
12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine
ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine
13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment
was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat
fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding
beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a
14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy
beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had
put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Willingly Obstinate
Great answer. I tell my smallest one (A bouncing baby girl)
when we are at walmart the same thing.
She is real little and one day wanted to use the ladies room.
Naturally she thought I should take her once again and when we
stopped at the entrance I said "Go ahead and I will wait"
She was 3-4 years at the time and looking up went into the
Isn't it strange that a small child can find the right door
concerning these matters but the defiant religious community
refuses to come in at the right door?
There I go again preaching the message of the door.
Thanks Josh you are right about the images that are so clear.
These are universal images that are used worldwide.
They are standards handed down for millenia, yet barely
a woman today is wearing one.
Do a head count sometime.
Sub:: Pertains To
I heard a pastor once say that
on the door of most public restrooms is either an image of a man or the
image of a woman. Everyone knows which image pertains to the
Men and which image pertains to the Women. You don't need
Sub:: Dear Ishmael
THE NET TEAM does not agree with your version of abuse
of power. In fact this is the same abusive power that males seem
to think is Godly that caused the formation of this site.
A special thanks to my loving wife Tammy. She had this site up
before I left the stair farm where this abusive behavor reigns
We sure are not going to permit the same abusive attitude
without putting it in check.
Most men feel like Steve does so I am going to let them post
their way of looking at this discussion.
Many men focus on the jealousy doctrine
Number 5:14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:
See the doctrine also was given to save a poor girl who's
husbands were always insanely jealous without a cause, but you
will never here that part of God's instructions addressed.
These types of men spent their entire lives thinking their wives
are cheating and the Old Testament law was designed to not
only save the woman from her husband, but also was given to
permit a man time to acknowledge their inability to control
themselves from unwarranted murdering spirits that had control
In this way a man could deal with the embarassment of his false
accusations when the woman was found innocent. He has this
lifetime to get right and no more.
Again this side of the coin is never spoken about and was most
often the case when men were out of their heads with thoughts
whorish behavor on the part of their wives.
God made the Law to deal with men first.
Very rarely do women go outside their vows as men have
assumed. This assumption is generally based out of a man's way
of looking at things and women were not made like men.
Men assume others are tempted the same as they are in all
God has given us a wonderful Law and is a great kindness if
It should seem strange that the flip side of this jealousy doctrine
has never crossed most mens minds, but it just goes right over
their heads and all they see is that if a man gets jealous that
must mean it is time for her to die a sinners death.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Course truth is fallen in the streets.
And finding a real man is almost impossible.
A real man is a man who is not void of judgment.
God is a God of judgment.
God hates religous forms in exchange for good judgment.
Religious self righteous singing is a stink to HIM.
These ideas that women are pure evil if they pretty up are
nothing more than a self righteous witch hunt.
It comes right out of the belly of Hell like all other demons we
We face one religious crusade after another in our time.
Nation against Nation.
King against King, man against man, divide the camp and sack
the booty and the devil is cleaning up in this war against God's
Evil is now good and good is now evil.
Lucifer has been given power to overcome and wear out the
saints prevailing against the standard of Holiness.
What clothing should a man not wear that pertains to a woman
and would be considered an abomination?
Sub:: She Beasts
You are right steve a man has to keep them she-dogs beaten
down into position or else why have a man around?
You are my main man.
Keep them she beasts where they belong on their knees praying
Sub:: Off Topic Again
Like I said this is a fair question but not on topic.
The Topic is what clothing would a man wear that would
pertain to a woman that would qualify him to be an
abomination in the sight of God?
Further what clothing would a woman wear that pertains to a
man that would qualify as abominable to God?
Yes the people of God wore ear rings and all kinds of jewelry
through out history. Rice powder for instance has always been
used by women for face powder. Jewelry was in the camp and
was not considered evil.
The first thing God did to get Rebecca to wife for the Israelite
male Isaac was to offer jewelry. Here is the quote again off
topic, so you lying men are griding the faces of your poor
wives telling them those lies
Gen 24:22 And it came to pass, as the
camels had done drinking, that the man took a golden earring of half a
shekel weight, and two bracelets for her hands of ten shekels weight of
23 And said, Whose daughter art
thou? tell me, I pray thee: is there room in thy father's house for us to
30 And it came to pass, when he saw
the earring and bracelets upon his sister's hands,
.........................................................................and I put the earring upon her face, and the bracelets upon her hands.
Again we can talk about why God let disease kill little children
but this is off topic.
The reason why men will not answer one question at a time and
tend to jump around, is based out of the conditioning of the false
It is a stumbling block.
It should be obvious by now why the answer has not been
freely given and why the question has been completely
Well to me it is clear.
The reason men will not and can not answer this question is
because they refuse.
I will address all of the other question of virgin girls and
primping at another time. Primping is okay girls as long as you
are not forgetting God in the process.
That is how simple the answer is.
Now answer my question.
What clothing is God talking about? What clothing is
abominable for men and what is considered bad clothing
for a women?
Sub:: dumb dog
What a fool you are. You reject
the Word of God.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Spiritual Blindness
Okay the word retard is the same thought as brutish, recorded
in scripture. It is an insult to intelligence, is also another
sneaking way of saying the same thing.
Scripture uses the term "Blind Dogs" same thing.
The subject is clothing pertaining to men
The subject is clothing pertaining to a woman.
All other subject interjections after being warned at the opening
stage of this study shows brutish or bull dogging tendencies.
This is the same as being hard headed or a dingbat in more
modern terms. Stay on subject.
The subject once again is
CLOTHING pertaining to men and women.
That is not to say that all other questions should not be
Every other question can and will be answered in turn.
We can not jump all around like spiritual grasshoppers and
resolve somethings pertaining to each answer.
As a for instance, someone will say they think God is a loving
God and the next person will say
"then why does He let people die of diseases"???
Then the next person will say they think
"He is the bad God."
The the next person will say they think God Loves gays.
Then the next person will say God does not hate.
On and On we go jumping all around.
I know it is hard to answer one simple question when you have
had so many questions all of your lives that seem conflicting.
Since you have gotten little for an answer in the short time of
your study of your that requires a lifetime, you want all of the
Heathen practices and seduction, and other questions please
hold till this subject has been covered.
A woman is a man's responsibily and so what the man says she
can wear or should or should not wear fits into the confines of
Finally when God said that a man should not wear clothing
pertaining to a woman, what did He mean? What clothing
specifically was God referring to? And so on.
Further when God said that a woman should not wear clothing
pertaining to a man, what did He mean? What clothing was God
Now that we know the focus of the study, answers off of the
wall so to speak, would be considered evasive.
1. A woman is a whore if she wears purple and scarlet.
2. Woman is easy prey for the devil like in the garden.
These are typical answers that have nothing to do with the
study. Please try to focus.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Retarted Spirits
God Loves and promotes the use of jewelry, ornaments, and all kinds of pretty things for the outside of our bodies.
You have to be a spiritual retard to fight these words found in
Scripture. Some say a woman can wear her pants as long as she
does not use makeup, jewels, bracelets ECT........
Same ole blind dogs barking the exact opposite of the Scripture.
God Himself excepts and uses these adorning methods.
Read It and put your hand up over your mouth.
Stop believing the lies taught by denomination.
God has made a woman to NEED to be lovely and has given
her all of these things to pretty her up.
Men going around forbidding a woman to pretty up against
God's word is the mark of a spiritual fool.
The fool says no to God's written word.
Now here is some of it.
Exodus 35:21 And they came, every one whose
heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they
brought the LORD'S offering to the work of the tabernacle of the
congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy
22 And they came, both men and women, as many as were
willing hearted, and brought bracelets, and earrings, and rings, and
tablets, all jewels of gold: and every man that offered offered an
offering of gold unto the LORD.
Num: 31:50 We have therefore brought an oblation for
the LORD, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and
bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our
souls before the LORD.
51 And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of
them, even all wrought jewels.
52 And all the gold of the offering that they offered
up to the LORD, of the captains of thousands, and of the captains of
hundreds, was sixteen thousand seven hundred and fifty
9 I have compared thee, O my love, to a company of horses in
Isa 61:......................................as a bridegroom
decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her
Jer 2:32 Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride
her attire? yet my people have forgotten me days without
according to the manner of
the women, (for so were the days of their purifications accomplished, to
wit, six months with oil of myrrh, and six months with sweet odours, and
with other things for the purifying of the women;)
17 And the king loved Esther above all the women, and
she obtained grace and favour in his sight more than all the virgins; so
that he set the royal crown upon her head,
24:22 And it came to pass, as the camels had done drinking, that the
man took a golden earring of half a shekel weight, and two bracelets for
her hands of ten shekels weight of gold;
23 And said, Whose daughter art thou? tell me, I pray
thee: is there room in thy father's house for us to lodge
30 And it came to
pass, when he saw the earring and bracelets upon his sister's
I put the earring upon her face, and the bracelets upon her
Ezek 16:9 Then
washed I thee with water; yea, I thoroughly washed away thy blood from
thee, and I anointed thee with oil.
10 I clothed thee
also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded
thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.
11 I decked thee
also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on
12 And I put a
jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown
upon thine head.
13 Thus wast thou
decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk,
and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and
thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a
14 And thy
renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect
through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Picture posts
For those of you rabbling in confusion go back and read what
I had posted right from the start about changing the subject
and having A HARD time figuring out what Bro Mike is talking
It is simple. It goes like this.
You are a cowardly male who hates good judgement and
want to show your righteousness.
Go to your cHurch and show everyone YOUR righteousness
because that is all modern cHurch does.
I will not take a bunch of conflicting answers from people who
are well practiced in changing the truth into a lie.
IN YOUR FACE PHOTO'S of the way the world is and has
been. What is so shocking about these common realities?
It all has to do with hiding from the light when you see all
these things and will not enter into judgement against it.
LOOK AT THE PHOTO's
And then you so called men who SAY you love God don't care
what people in you families wear.
Again any man who runs away from this light is a fool.
I will post only comments that relate to the present
discussion. Comments made outside of this study will be
ignored so you boys wanting to divide and conquer this expose'
will have to go practice your manipulation on another forum.
I do not expect many intelligent answers.
The way I see it the people living today are void of
what God's ways are like.
We had one sister talk about how she wears a dress now and
has long hair and these are qualifying statements within the
Some of you need to read what has been stated before you talk
out of turn to spout off things that do not apply to the study.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: 1960 changes
.First the dress code women have followed for centuries.
Very beautiful and discrete as Scripture states a Holy woman is.
Next is the evolution in the 1960's
This is a picture from STAR TREK
The plan was to degrade a woman getting the teens to go almost nude and
then later put a pair of pants on them to cover their nakedness.
This of course seemed better.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Seeing God Clearly
I need to say that as far back as I can remember my family
watched shows from the 50's when I was 5 or 6 years of age.
My earilest memory was me standinging in what seemed like a 4
foot toy box Grandpa had made me that was really only 18" tall
when I was around 2-3 years of age.
Living in a cold northern climate near the boarder of Canada
there were more days in the 60's than any other temperature.
The reason I point it out was that at age 3-5 years the average
room temp for many days through the cold winters was in the
60's at our house and this made a mouse that came into my
room very slugish.
Some days I tried to pet the mouse as a toddler.
Well one day I actually was able to pick it up and hold it in my
hand and was all excited till it bit almost the entire end of my
The point is that "I remember" those eariler days.
Now onto the rest of the story. Next was the living room with
the TV. That thing was huge and had an almost round screen.
Same when I went to gandma's house, so I do remember also
that it was black and white only.
Here are a few shows we watched that I remember well because
it was a time of laughter and sharing fun with the family.
"Laugh in" was one.
"The Red Skeleton show"
All of these shows were your everyday run of the mill trash,
where many loose Lawless ideas were incubated.
Here are a few pictures from what would later be in color.
The gener benders were on the rise so the first thing men who
were gay did was put on the womans dresses that was presented
as a joke but was foolishly a real stradegy by the forces of evil.
The picture above is Flip Wilson dresses up as a man for
no aparent reason. Here are a few more.
Naturally as a boy I thought it was funny because all of the
kinfolks were cackling like hens.
Deut 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, ......................................................................................neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
Okay here we see the Television show "MASH" also had
what people are now calling a transgender male.
In light of this Scripture why is it that these are the only people
today who know that a woman or girl should wear a dress
because it has always been clothing that women have worn?
22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man,
......................................................................................neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that
do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
Below are some pictures of "KLINGER" from the old show
"Mash" wearing the 50's style teen dresses.
This idea of getting "OUT" of the armed services was the plot
in MASH for Klingers reason for wearing the dress.
Now after 40+ years these gays want to be in the military and
keep the dress.
Below is what a woman looks like today in the 21st century.
Deut 22:5 The woman
shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man,
......................................................................................neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that
do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
|NAME:: Alex Jones
Sub:: Drone Strikes
American Drone Strikes Coming soon
Thanks Steve for the great video heads up!!
Sub:: Pope Apostle?
This Pope doesn't know the Scriptures neither the Power of God.
Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience,
There are many people saying many things out here.
Natural affection is the orientation. Natural affection is what God has created.
Homosexual affection is the opposite.
Sub:: Worldly Boy
Okay look at this passage and know that we as the people of
God in this wilderness are losing the war against sin, with many
losing their souls.
Below is the scriptures showing the same repeat war for God's
people. The war they fought was a physical one yet the same
At the end of this passage it states that the mighty men who
were skilled in war had lose the battle. This was due to the fact
that they served the wrong God's of self.
Todaythere are very few real men left as only mothers are left
in the home these days with so many people separating.
One sure sign that we are at war and losing is the fact that they
beautiful daughters were stripped of those ornaments.
We are at war spiritually not physically.
Therefore the daughters of Zion are being stripped of their
attire first in the spirit and then they took their clothes off and
put on bikini's.
Do you hard heads understand? Do you?
We are at war and losing. The first thing a mighty man NEEDS
HE NEEDS to fight for a righteous cause and he will always be
there to save those beauties.
I ask you, "What beauty is there left"?
If your beauty does not line up with the beauty of the hidden
man of the heart, it is not beauty.
I am speaking of what GOD calls beauty.
God has shown us his word here in Isaiah for our generation as
most are losing the war against ungodliness slipping into eternal
Just like all of the daughters were stripped bare in that physical
war so are the women of this time.
These are signs that men are not real men and that women rule
them, they are not mighty men of war.
Let us put the blaim where it belongs and that being on the men.
God calls men forth to answer to him, not their women.
Again most males living today have been taught it is a 50/50
love relationship between a man and a women, with men
staying home while the woman brings home the meat and
I do not expect men like this to understand me at all.
We are seeing the beautiful attire of our girls being stripped off
of them in this spiritual war so that their minds can not allow
them to put on the wonderful womenly array that a woman has
been associated with since the beginning of time.
Instead they go as naked as possible, with jean's showing all of
her contour and detail in a worldly competitive war.
The men sit by and do nothing. They are not mighty men.
They are worldly boy's and are reaping it.
Isa 3:14 The LORD will enter into judgment with the ancients of his people,
and the princes thereof................................................
15 What mean ye that ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor?
saith the Lord GOD of hosts.
16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty,
and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as
they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:
17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the
daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.
about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,
19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,
20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands,
and the tablets, and the earrings,
21 The rings, and nose jewels,
and the crisping pins,
23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the veils.
24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink;
and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead
of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.
25 Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mighty in the war.
26 And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she being desolate shall
sit upon the ground.
|NAME:: Brother Mike
Sub:: Sent One's
Here is the Command to an Apostle.
Apostle means "SENT ONE'S "
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
This is why people who go out to build Churches 501c3 get voted in call themselves APOSTLES.
They claim God sent them and sent one's are APOSTLE'S.
The Word APOSTLE "means" "means" Hello? Means
Now-a-days every blowjoe and his brother "SAYS" they are sent of GOD. They clain God told them to take up tithes and give it to the poor or whatever they clain God sent them to do.
Scripture says, THE BIBLES SAYS GO!!!
We are all sent. Are All Apostles? No!!!
FROM:: Pope says
Pope says "Who
am I to judge?" on gay clergy
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Killing Peace
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Drink in Peace
India drink cow pee
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: India Peace
Drinking from human skulls
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Hindu Magic
Here is the way Hinduism advertises to day
Black Magic is a Magic that is performed for the
benefit of self or the wholemass. Black Magic or in Hindu (Hinduism) also
known as Kaala Jaadu and the process are known as Jaadu Tona or Tona
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Peace and saftey
Thank you for your input we welcome you.
Our Holy Bible says this:
1 Thes 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then
sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman
with child; and they
shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should
overtake you as a
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day:
we are not of the
night, nor of darkness.
It is our understanding that killing Christains who don't honor
the hindu gods is not peace. Walking on fire and throwing
children into the fires of molech is not peace to the GOD OF
THE BIBLE what we call THE ONE GOD.
I am writing this to ensure that you know our stand.
I know that you will say that this is untrue for today.
Don't make me show live video of your Hindu brothers killing
The red horse is communism with it's age old practices of forced worship or die the death.
So much for peace peace peace.
Revelation 6:4 And
there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that
sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one
another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
I for one will not argue and don't care to convert anyone who rebbels against THE ONE GOD and HIS heart.
There will be no arguement with HIM. And there is no arguement in the Church the BIBLE says it this way
"IF people want to be ingnorant then let them be ignorant"
To to ignorant simply mean to ignor the facts or commands
written from THE HAND OF THE ONE GOD.
HE is "THE SELF EXISTANT ONE"
"THE GREAT I AM"
When being asked by Moses "What is your name"???
"I AM that I AM"
further THE SELF EXISTANT ONE says
Ther is no other God among the Nations.
Sub:: Peace Peace
You Christians argue over every little
|NAME:: Bro Mike
Sub:: Kathy "Gal"
You get an A++ on everything you wrote.
Sub: Cold turkey
woman I used to be a jeans and t-shirt kind of gal, LOL! BUT since coming
to Yeshua, I went cold turkey about 1 1/2 yrs ago going no pants. However
I do have a few pairs of jeans that I held onto for working out in the
garden when messy jobs require my help or mid winter coldness hits. I do
not wear them off of our property. Brother Mike I agree with the
scriptures, it's God's word. You are very right that since the mid 50's
it's been a steady stripping away of womens clothing (it fits right into
the lusts of today).
Here is the way all women dressed since the beginning of time.
During the mid 1900's the bikini's came out and the miniskirts.
Now no one wears womens clothing like holy women of old.
My great grandma and grandma never wore pants. My mother
wore a dress all through the 50's with bustle.
They looked like women have always looked for thousands of
Now here is the scripture and after that some pictures of the
way women have dressed throughout human history.
If God does not care what we wear or how we look then these Scritures
can not apply to anyone in modern times.
Ester 5:5:1 Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her
Here we see God angry with the daughter of Zion so God tell them he is going
Isa3:18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling
Through the use of media like TV a woman looks bad, wearing men trousers.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
FROM:: Teaching Priest
Okay I am seeing that the people of God need to be taught some
things that they do not know. Naturally there will be some
things that folks did not know God said or meant. I feel it is
time for many of you to understand some of the expressions
recorded in Scripture.
Long Hair is one issue but there are many more.
Take for example a woman who cuts her hair or wears a bikini
swimsuit in public.
Or we could just focus on men who wear womens clothing and
are quite effeminate having long hair.
We must start with one thing at a time and not jump all over like
a kangaroo. Many questions will arise but we must thoroughly
address one subject at a time.
Or what about Jesus wearing a dress looking thing?
Maybe Jesus was a metephor and really never physically
existed since many say there is little proof.
Or does Jesus(WHO IS GOD) really care if we keep HIS laws
Which Laws should we keep?
Who should be the one to decide which of the TEN
COMMANDMENTS we should keep and which ones we could
How about SABBATH?
Is it okay to start a fire and why wasn't
it okay for God's people to start fires on that day?
Can I work and make good money on SABBATH as long as I
give it to the CHURCH?
Or is it Okay to keep that double and triple time money and not
feel quilty that I am violating "God's Law"
These and many questions are normal average everyday
questions that the people of God ask themselves.
The term "premarital sex" is not in Scripture, anymore than the
term "Rapture" is found and yet the Bible addresses all of these
I am going to wait for your comments after each post.
Take this verse found in Scripture concerning long hair.
Is it okay for teenagers to shave their heads? Does God care?
The questions of why coming from each one of you can be
Is it Okay for me as a woman to wear pants as long as they as
Where in the Bible does it say a woman can not wear pants?
Where in the Scripture does it say a men can not wear high
heels or a skirt?
How about the Roman men wearing skirts?
While in Rome they tell me like a Roman, right?
Why did Roman men wear short hair while Jesus is
thought to have had long flowing hair down to the belt
on his robe?
FROM:: Save Us
Isa 43:8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
who among them can declare this, and show us former things? let them bring forth
their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed,
neither shall there be after me.
22 But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob; but thou hast been weary of me, O Israel.
Psa 80:15 And the vineyard which thy right hand hath planted, and the branch that thou
madest strong for thyself.
17 Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest
19 Turn us again, O LORD God of hosts, cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved.
Unless God does change our hearts we will be like we are now as a people,scattered.
FROM:: No Prophet's
1 Corinthians 11:14 Doth not even nature
itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
FROM:: American Jesus
Call on your powerless Jesus to save you from the God of this world.
The American Jesus is a long hair sisy impotent worthless joke.
India's Benny Hinn
Murder of Christains
Hindu Slaughter of Christians
Prophet in the root meaning means to bubble over in the joy of
the Holy Ghost speaking and uttering the words of God most for
The Prophet's main duty was always correction to an immoral
People claiming to love God.
The difference between those who were doing right and those
SAYING and not doing right was always pointed out by a
Prophet and still is today.
The gift of the word of Prophesy and the word of knowledge or
word of wisdom can still operate in the office of a Prophet as
A prophet ussually sat alone away from people and this was
largely due to the fact that the dreams and visions that a
Prophet got were to far out for most people to grasp.
Prophet's are not all like. Anymore than people are all alike.
Jesus was a Prophet in the new testament
John the baptist was
John wrote Revelation was and this is decades after Jesus had
assended back to God the Father.
Most people claiming to be Christains suffer nothing and do not
need a Prophet nor do they want one. They are fearful of the
operation of God's hand with the Gifts.
The American version of their gOd is the only culture that has
no power in the spirit to actually manifest something in the
The American Jesus is a neutered, spiritually impotent figure
head while Halloween devils night practices are foremost with
children using witchcraft without knowning it at an early age.
The parents are teaching lies as they were taught.
If you go to India they worship and walk on fire. Demon
possession is an honor to them. Demons have power to take
over their vessels in their ceremonies for short peroids.
They feel the presence of their GoD in Voodoo.
They don't call them demons, they call it the power of their God.
These cultures like China and India have had their religion
for uncounted generations well before Jesus time.
In those countries that prctice witchcraft their are some that
have such power in the spirit to cast spells or a hex that anyone
caught doing it is arrested.
The practice of their religion using magic in honor to their God
is a world renowned fact, laws are in place to prosecute any
medium casting a hex on someone with the intent to damage
another persons body.
The operation of a medium is common place. They are fervent
in prayer to their God and deligent to bring the proper blood
sacrifices in order to gain favor in spiritual matters.
In those countries where Christains live I know beyond a doubt
that the Prophet office is needed.
The Prophet's are also called witnesses in Revelation. The final
show down will involve the Prophet ministry.
Revelation 11:for it is given unto the
Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two
3 And I will give power unto my two
witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore
days, clothed in sackcloth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire
proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man
will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven,
that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters
to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often
as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished
their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall
make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in
the street of the great city,
9 And they of the people and kindreds
and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an
half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in
10 And they that dwell upon the earth
shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to
another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the
11 And after three days and an half
the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their
feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Yes friends while the devil prepares his false Prophet, God is preparing HIS true Prophet's for the endtime showdown.
HE DON'T CHANGE.
Okay let me say a few things here first Steve I know you and others have a different way of looking at religion and Church order than the next.
The Bible says that spirits roam the earth looking for a human host to inhabit, right?
Have we forgotten that God is a just God and wants balance of power and always raises up Judges against evil?
What do you think a Judge is?
When you SAY that you are a Judge (Most will say judge not) this means you are willing to cut off evil, that takes a tough cookie in the spirit.
If demons transfer from parents to children then the righteous spiritual power of God does also.
Why should evil have all of the rank and demonic power and
the Church have nothing?
Keep in mind this is not written for old Bible teaching, which is
another way people wiggle out of acknowedging the truth
According the scripture the end times will bring signs and lying wonders through the use of demons.
But when the enemy shall come in like a flood the spirit of the Lord always raises up oposition to keep HIS little woman from being consumed by the devil.
Here is some reading
Romans 12:4 For as we have many
members in one body, and all members have not the same
5 So we, being many, are one
body in Christ, and every one members one of
6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
If someone you know (Steve) claims they are a Prophet because like a Prophet they prophesy things their whole life, does not make them Lord over you.
That is your problem Steve and everyone else. You are afraid that person will become your micromanager now in the spirit like your mainstream cHurches teach.
The mainstream teach Prophets are like little ET's that only visit during special missions, like a close encounter UFO landing.
Besides what are people afraid of? Are they afraid that the Prophet will speak out of turn telling people to worship them and to give them money?
Yup, probably cause that is a false one.
So yeah stop following these false Prophets I tell myself also.
8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him
do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that showeth
mercy, with cheerfulness.
9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil;
cleave to that which is good.
10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
The Prophet's still operate the gifts but are not excepted by mainstream relige-ainity. They are rejected by all of the shinny cHurch soceity.
They will always be cast out and despised through the use of dis-information. This is the stradegy of demon to blind the minds using lies and slight of hand magic tricks on the gullible.
Ya know cHurch leader, teacher standing before their classroom asking questions like, "Do you really think Prophet's exist" challeging God himself.
Yeah hath God said, "There are no Prophet" what say the classroom? And belittle anyone who gets out of line to quote the scripture.
Been there a done these little fony charades, your church, my church, their church, our church.
FROM:: God is Alive
All of thee workings of the spirit are still alive today as we have been instructed to go teach all nations so
that their blood is not on our hands. To do this the offices of the ministry for the last 2000 years with it's
order had to operate to stand against the attacks of the wicked. False ministers are the tares among the
Hear are some verses to read when you can. It would take much longer to show a clear picture
of the Church today. It is not just dead saints that operate the gifts and callings of God.
Some think that only dead holy men are Prophets. That would presuppose a dead God as well.
God does not take away his gifts when people use them to make money or get fleshly fulfillment.
Since the devil and his demon hoareds have penty of rank and power we must know that the Church
of Jesus and the operation of the spirit keeps us rising above.
As far as the verse you quoted concerning falling down to worship and angel we should not.
Yet your mind is saying that you will not worship these so called Holy men and I agree.
The evil today in religion is doing the opposite of what God instructs, but this does not remove
the proper order just because no one is following it. I am talking about your Church and everyone elses
Church that have traditional ideas about what God is and what He wants from us.
Repeating over again that there are no more Apostles is like saying there are no more Jesus'es
I am sorry this is a statement of a blind person (Not just You Steve)
Apostles laid the foundation, the foundation is Christ so why would we keep needing a new foundation?
Why would we need more Christ's? And more and more Foundation layers (Like Chickens laying eggs)?
Of course we don't need any more Jesus foundations. Or Apostles who say that they are being sent to
re-lay the foundation 'which is Christ.
"SAYING" and repeating that there are no Apostles is like saying there is no more foundation.
Don't you see the blockage here in the spirit?
We already have the 12 sent ones who laid the foundation which is Christ.
Now on to Prophets.
Prophet are always used to do hard jobs and do not want any part of the rebellion of childish
baby Christains messing all over. Now a Pastor will wipe their butts just fine.
A teacher is one only by example just as the proof is in the pudding so the proof of a man's calling.
Prophet's that are false do not remove the office of a true Prophet.
In Fact in Revelation the Prophets have another hard job to finish up in the end of times.
Prophets will always operate in the administration of the spirit and you will never know that they are there.
They don't even want the job, their hand is dealt to them and no one can stop the hand of God.
The presences of God is the Spirit of God IN HIS PEOPLE, and since the people are living
and God is alive then the operation of his hand is not dead either.
You as a rebellious man or women may resist these words because you have been damaged
by evil doers and this is normal.
If you ever come into contact with a true Prophet you will never be the same again. This is because he is
nothing like you thought he would be. He is despised and rejected of men, that is how you know him.
Men love there little cubby of same ole do it my way.
You will wear yourselves out. Below is some good reading
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
1 cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
1 cor 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
1 Cor 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
Luke 11.........................................................This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
Luke 4:24 And he said, Verily, I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.
Rev 11:.............................................................because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Sign Here::. We
understand that. But that's not in operation today.
FROM:: Five Offices
Hi Steve I think it is like the rapture doctrine where the word
rapture does not actually appear in scripture but the idea
does. So it is with the order set by God. (1) Apostles (2) Prophets (3rd) Teachers (4th) Pastors (5th) Evangelists The point is that there are 5 positions for the perfecting of the body of Christ. This is not a man made tradition, these ideas come from out heavenly Father. Five is always the hand of God. Like the 5 smooth stones that David pulled out of te river to kill Goliath with. Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some,
prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and
teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work
of the ministry, Yes there is a rapture though the word rapture is not in the Bible and no the term "5 fold ministry" is not written in the Bible this way, yet five ministering offices are given listed
above. I can't see why people have so much trouble with something so clear.
I think it is like the rapture doctrine where the word rapture does not actually appear in scripture but the idea does.
So it is with the order set by God.
The point is that there are 5 positions for the perfecting
of the body of Christ. This is not a man made tradition, these
ideas come from out heavenly Father.
Five is always the hand of God.
Like the 5 smooth stones that David pulled out of te river
to kill Goliath with.
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry,
Yes there is a rapture though the word rapture is not in the
Bible and no the term "5 fold ministry" is not written in the
Bible this way, yet five ministering offices are given listed
I can't see why people have so much trouble with something so
FROM:: 5 Fold
Traditions of men The term "5
fold" or "5 fold ministry" does not appear in Scripture.
|NAME:: Bro Mike
The apostles laid the foundation showing the way to the Church in Christ and commanded that if anyone
teaches any other Jesus let him but accursed. Beyond that many Prophets are false these days as
well as teaches so the operation of the gifts of the spiritual offices are in you to keep Satan OUT!!
The type of leadership on display in the modern age has the flock subject to the ruler whims.
The leaders like Paul said he was the acting Father and took care of the flock, not the other way
around like we see in the false cHurch order today.
Money, position, power, worship are the driving spirit in the ministry of the day.
1 Pet 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight
thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
1 Cor 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry,
1 Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers,
after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that showeth mercy, with cheerfulness.
9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;