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NAME:: Yanique

Dowell is a PERVERT

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 I thought it was unwise when my husband told me that a military man was leaving his wife(Neli) and children down @ NOT-SO straitway while he went off to a year of military service. Now he neither has wife nor children, VERY SAD.


dowell is a PERVERT, i saw that the first time i met him. I knew for a fact that he was trying to break me and my husband up when we were down there, b/c i didn't wanna be there anymore and SHUTDOWN ALL HIS ADVANCES.


He even told my husband 2x to tell me to come back and if i didn't he was gonna come here to me. I told my husband to tell him i would call the police and get a restraining order against him, and i guess he got the drift then.



NAME:: Cults

 Dowell 2 Wives

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Videos of ex-followers who see Dowell as a cult leader just as Eric had said 12yrs ago.

 

The reason they had many wives in the OT was to populate the earth. Be fruitful and multiply.


Today we don't need that. Today we have the husband of one wife.


Titus 1:6   If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

 

You see they had multiple wives in the OT and this was OK with God, though he advised against taking many wives.


But they never stole one another's wives. This is adultery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzXfAP5SBHA

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p95kc7O2Sys

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ3pRdORVFc



NAME:: Kathy Fayetteville NC

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 Dowell has taken another man's wife and wifed her to himself, her name is Neli. Now he has 2 wives and is telling his followers that this is OKAY with God......


NAME:: Steve

      A Froward Mouth

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NAME:: Thomas belford 

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All these remind me of the farm   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcpwW8VhS4s

what stair compares to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIQ_JfDnDo0

here is ralph stair and his love https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SZv6YbthXc



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Swelling words Having a mouth speaking great swelling words... Jude 1:16



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NAME::  Michael Rowland

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Amen Brother Thomas

The men living at the farm are numb to the violations that ralph keeps commiting and they sit under this mental man, dumb struck because of the power of wicknedness.

We all know that spirit and how powerful it can be. The spirit can make you believe many things that simply are not true.

It all comes down to one thing in the end. Men are sinners and some love and hide their sins while others hate their sins and will not stand idly by while those who call themselves brothers live worse than wild dogs.

Like raph has done for decades.

 

The challenge that Satan made to God was that if men were sold under sin and tasted of the fruit of sin that man would never come back to GOD.

So again the challenge was that if men could sample sin they would always choose sinning over a boring Holy God.

(We are not talking about woman here boys.)

So men were given two sides of the coin so to speak, they were not sheltered from sin anymore and after the garden, tasted of good and evil.

Men were now able to sample sin and sample Holy living and make a choice. Jesus said that many delusionary false leaders would arise and tell folks to move to a farm or go somewhere special to find HIM, but that HE would not be there.

Many snares of sin can be found everywhere and the sinners keep sinning. Just like God has wanted men to do, so a choice can be made either for or against THE KING.

 

So many other signs but ralph is a demon possessed man who will die in his sins and be forever lost. Ralph and his team leaders have spoken from the pulpits stating how Jesus would come by the year 2000 or maybe 2002 or 2004 and some of them are dead now and they were much younger.

These are a sacrifice to Satan and to ralph's farm slaughter house, killing the souls who are subjected to these daily demonic attacks.

People wear out, like Margret did. Like Sister Walker.

Wayne douglas was treated like a nigger, shoved around talked down and bad about, kept him from having a wife for over 15 years til he died of a disease that no one helped him to overcome.

I could go on for hours and point out many common patterns of selfish brutal men. Yes I remember the bizzarre times someone came to the gate demanding ralph to come out while he was making some sort of arrangements, yes.

 

The scripture says that "THE NOISE OF THE BRUIT IS COME" this is all about men living and loving their oppressive way of sinful living and at the end of their lives their sin really stands out.


We are chosen to see that clearly and others are not. The day of Vengeance is in GOD's Heart.

We have been chosen to be careful, kindhearted people who are strangers by this world's standards.

We are the people of God who love HIM, hating evil and separating from it.

We are those who are valiant men taking up the call of duty to defend the slaughter of innocence like our FATHER does.

We are the flock of God who love righteousness and stand pure before "HIS THRONE"

We are HIS arms and legs, HIS warriors who will arise like Samuel did when he sliced and diced the wicked king in the Bible, using a sword.

We are called to THAT war in the spirit of our minds to Judge the Judgments of a righteous Judge.

We are the called according to that purpose.

We are HIS virgins who will not condone foul play, we are HIS pure girl, we are HIS bride.

We can never be happy with anything less than purity.

We are HIS true love. HE is our Savior.

HE is our beloved and we long for HIM.

AMEN.







 

 

 

NAME::  Thomas belford 

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Men that live at stairs farm today will have a very numb feeling come over them when all things come to an end.


The hair will rise on the back of their necks when they come to realize that the voice they have followed for so long has cost them their souls.


They have seen the evil stair has repeated over and over and they have worshiped him and raised stair up as the way to salvation





 

 

NAME::  Thomas belford

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  Yeah its all about ralph and his god between his legs. I do remember his sex and god sermon. His drug eating so he can climax and he said this is what it will be like in the presents of his god.  I do believe his meth trip will soon be over!






 

 

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New audios http://stevesaudio.net/index.html


MY_LIFE.mp3
"They took 4 years out of MY LIFE"


It's all about him isn't it?


http://stevesaudio.net/claims.htm
Jesus_was_wrong.mp3 and Noah.mp3


http://stevesaudio.net/teresa.htm
Naomi1.mp3
Naomi2.mp3


"Daddy I'm getting out of here. I don't like this lifestyle. When I turn 17 I'm out of here...."







 

 

NAME::  Tim Butler

Sub::  Monitors

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Goes to show that Stair monitors the Net Team guest book!





 

 

NAME::  Steve

Sub::  Dwellers

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 Yeah they lived there. They dwelt there. That was their life. They were just trying to live Holy as unto the Lord in common unity.


Instead they found a predator. A child molestor. A pervert who went after their kids.






 

 

NAME::  Steve

 Pokerface r.g. stair

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Pokerface r.g. stair pretty much gone pokerface


If you look at those initial pictures of him being arrested it's a blank stare, a blank expression on his face


In shock. Shock that he'd been arrested for his abuse of those dwelling at the farm

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NAME::  Steve

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People KNOW what goes on at the farm

Someone inside... a snitch as ralph calls them... feeds them info

That's why ralph told the people to get rid of their cell phones

Law enforcement had to come & straighten ralph out

You can't tell people they can't have cell phones ralph

or we'll put you back in a cell where you belong




 

 

NAME:: Thomas belford 

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 Ralph must have worship, sex, someone to kill fiscally and spiritually. Deep down his followers there at his sex farm hate him very much and enjoy the short time they get when he is hiding out setting up his next pity party for himself.

 

 

   He has talked about heart problems before this. Any way I am going soon for a service there at his show I bet they will not know who i am setting in there showtime church.

 

 

   I recall Ralph's drugs getting pulled out of the mail box I remember the crack heads looking for Ralph at the gate wanting to talk to him. I believe Ralph has done meth to help him at his gathering shows in the past. One thing about Meth heads its all about them.


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JesusNotAJew.mp3
"Jesus was not a Jew."

 

shut_the_hell_up.mp3
Right above the pic of ole ralph

NAME:: Steve

     Ralph Old Dog

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Well the ole dog got back behind the pulpit this morning. he's still barking.


his message is always self-centred. It's all about him


NAME:: Tim Butler

 Ralph's Stroke?

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Word has it that Stair has suffered a couple of strokes. While I am not going to hold my breath that he comes to true repentance, it is my hope that he does before he dies!

NAME:: Steve

  Ralph's froward mouth

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A froward mouth "There were no dinosaurs. Why? Because I said so!"


A froward mouth


"Get those damned looks off your faces!"


A froward mouth


"Get the hell out of my presence!"


A froward mouth


"There is no worship in heaven now!"


A froward mouth


"God is going to kill somebody in my presence."


A froward mouth


"I am The Son of Man"


A froward mouth


"I'm a ruler and a judge"


A froward mouth


"Within 6 months of my death Jesus is coming"


A froward mouth


"Jesus was a naughty boy"


A froward mouth


"I am in the way. I'm the Leader of the Pack"


A froward mouth


NAME:: Froward

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fro·ward
'fro(w)?rd/
adjective
adjective: froward
  1. (of a person) difficult to deal with; contrary.

 
KJV STRONGS CONCORDANCE

H6143. 'iqqeshuwth, ik-kesh-ooth'; from

H6141; perversity:-- distorted; hence false:--crookedX froward.

H8419. tahpukah, tah-poo-kaw'; from

H2015; a perversity or fraud:-- (very) froward (-ness, thing), perverse thing.

 

Proverbs 10:31  ...............................................but the froward tongue shall be cut out.

 

 

 



 

NAME:: Brother Mike

   Discord = Sex farm

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The lizard dwelling in ralph's body is without conscience, it does not care who it hurts. Below you will note the word "FROWARD" this word means "perverse"

Proverbs 6: 12  A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth.

13  He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers;

14  Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord.

NAME:: Steve

 Shakin/God's anointed

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Shakin ralph had one of his cronies up in the pulpit yesterday "Offenses will come to the Overcomer ministry but woe unto them by whom they come by!"


Wooo. Got us shakin in our boots

Insights and Revelations
http://www.texemarrs.com/092002/insight_and_revelations.htm


Brother Stair in Jail:


R.G. Stair, shortwave radio evangelist who went by the title "Brother Stair" and boasted he was the last day's prophet, has been arrested by South Carolina law enforcement. Reportedly, Stair had sex with numerous young women living at the isolated farm commune over which the "evangelist" reigned. One 18-year old black girl has testified that Stair had sex with her 70 times. He also had intercourse with the girl's sister.


Meanwhile, a corpse has been exhumed at the commune, and Sheriff's deputies are investigating the mysterious circumstances surrounding the death which had never been reported to the authorities. (Note: Some years ago, Texe Marrs and Power of Prophecy unmasked Brother Stair and his unholy works. At the time we were roundly criticized and skewered by Stair and his followers who warned that we would suffer hellfire for our unfair attack on "God's anointed.")



NAME:: Steve

Ralph Farm Demons

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Well the ole codger turned 81 on Monday. he does not fail to disappoint.

2 new audios

40days.mp3

http://stevesaudio.net/claims.htm


TexeMarrs.mp3

http://stevesaudio.net/saints.htm

 

 

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep
company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or
covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an
extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Some of them won't go into the dining hall to eat with him.

Apparently stair's wife Teresa will not enter the tabernacle.

She will not enter that hypocrisy, that abomination, that most unholy place.

Teresa will not enter the tabernacle.

 



 

NAME:: Steve

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Yeah he's the Pack Leader alright. Pack of devils.


That does not mean that everyone that is following ralph stair is

a devil.

 

Some of them are just deceived.


Some of them have got a good deal too.



NAME:: Steve

       Farm in SC

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Thomas Paine  Well said concerning the Strong Delusion.

 

Ralph has created his own little "Dystopian Kingdom" in his

farm in SC. Not all the much different from North Korea.

 

 

Listen to Ralph on the radio trying to reel in others unaware

into his net. Do not go to him or his farm for it is the path to hell

on earth.

 

stair ran a black Brother out last Sabbath service.


"Get out! Get out! Get out!" he shouted.


That Brother just wanted to serve the Lord.


As one other Brother said stair is demon possessed


NAME:: Brother Mike

  Strong delusion

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Delusionary  thinking is what this endtime generation has. God has stated 

is scripture “SEEK ME EARLY” this means HE wants the best like HE 

asked for from the Priests temple sacrifice.

 

The daily sacrifice for God is to live Holy in an evil world.

 

The main thing I came to you today about was those religious people such as preachers who are now elderly.

 

Delusional preachers/teacher/prophets today who have admittedly lived their entire lives sinning somehow get the idea in their old age that their non functional flesh is equal to Holiness.

 

The early years present the hottest testing period of a persons life and God has called us to prove that we are HIS by overcoming these evils with the power HE has given us.

 

He has given us power to tread of demons. Power over.

 

I have noted that the general trend of the religious who have grown old in adultery think, that their fleshly inability to perform wickness is somehow HOLINESS.

 

Their minds are so far from acknowledging their sins through the power of the Holy Spirit that they can not repent.

 

They can not repent because they have given themselves to delusion all of their lives and now that they are old these deceiving spirits have possessed their souls completely.

 

Such is the case with Ralph Stair and  many other public figures who have projected the end of the age.

 

The Preachers like this have a delusion that they are to be taken notice of or worshipped. They have all types of false dates and projections based on what is written down in God’s Holy word.

 

Yet they are using these WORDS OF LIFE to further their false ministries

 

Their inabilities to function in the flesh is not an automatic validation of Holiness as these wick men would have us believe.

 

“Seek Me Early” this mean while we are young.

 

Obey the command or reap the results. The results are a deceived soul who can not repent because they feel they have done their best.

 

Religious folks think their friends at a wooden church make them Godly, just because.

 

Or because a leader says so.

 

The Elderly who had lived a wayward life and think they can change at the end are in for a big surprise and is not what God commanded HIS people to do.

 

The delusional mind really feels they have honored God while living in sin. This is a life that has mixed wickedness with praise to God and is confusion.

 

God wants a persons best, early on in life, as proof that they really love HIM, so waiting till old age to do right is proof of their hate as well.

 

Delusional thinker are people who say and do things without conscience. Or their conscience does not witness against their evil deeds.

They will always use words to manipulate those around them into thinking their bad behavior is something everyone does therefore means nothing.

 

 

 

 



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NAME:: Brother Mike

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1 Sam 2:22  Now Eli was very old, and heard all that his sons did unto all Israel; and how they lay with the women that assembled at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
23  And he said unto them, Why do ye such things? for I hear of your evil dealings by all this people.
24  Nay, my sons; for it is no good report that I hear: ye make the Lord's people to transgress.
25  If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall entreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD would slay them.
26  And the child Samuel grew on, and was in favour both with the LORD, and also with men.
27  And there came a man of God unto Eli, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Did I plainly appear unto the house of thy father, when they were in Egypt in Pharaoh's house?
28  And did I choose him out of all the tribes of Israel to be my priest, to offer upon mine altar, to burn incense, to wear an ephod before me? and did I give unto the house of thy father all the offerings made by fire of the children of Israel?
29  Wherefore kick ye at my sacrifice and at mine offering, which I have commanded in my habitation; and honourest thy sons above me, to make yourselves fat with the chiefest of all the offerings of Israel my people?
30  Wherefore the LORD God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the LORD saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.
31  Behold, the days come, that I will cut off thine arm, and the arm of thy father's house, that there shall not be an old man in thine house.
32  And thou shalt see an enemy in my habitation, in all the wealth which God shall give Israel: and there shall not be an old man in thine house for ever.
33  And the man of thine, whom I shall not cut off from mine altar, shall be to consume thine eyes, and to grieve thine heart: and all the increase of thine house shall die in the flower of their age.
34  And this shall be a sign unto thee, that shall come upon thy two sons, on Hophni and Phinehas; in one day they shall die both of them.
35  And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever.
36  And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left in thine house shall come and crouch to him for a piece of silver and a morsel of bread, and shall say, Put me, I pray thee, into one of the priests' offices, that I may eat a piece of bread.
3:1  And the child Samuel ministered unto the LORD before Eli. And the word of the LORD was precious in those days; there was no open vision.
2  And it came to pass at that time, when Eli was laid down in his place, and his eyes began to wax dim, that he could not see;
3  And ere the lamp of God went out in the temple of the LORD, where the ark of God was, and Samuel was laid down to sleep;
4  That the LORD called Samuel: and he answered, Here am I.
5  And he ran unto Eli, and said, Here am I; for thou calledst me. And he said, I called not; lie down again. And he went and lay down.
6  And the LORD called yet again, Samuel. And Samuel arose and went to Eli, and said, Here am I; for thou didst call me. And he answered, I called not, my son; lie down again.
7  Now Samuel did not yet know the LORD, neither was the word of the LORD yet revealed unto him.
8  And the LORD called Samuel again the third time. And he arose and went to Eli, and said, Here am I; for thou didst call me. And Eli perceived that the LORD had called the child.
9  Therefore Eli said unto Samuel, Go, lie down: and it shall be, if he call thee, that thou shalt say, Speak, LORD; for thy servant heareth. So Samuel went and lay down in his place.
10  And the LORD came, and stood, and called as at other times, Samuel, Samuel. Then Samuel answered, Speak; for thy servant heareth.
11  And the LORD said to Samuel, Behold, I will do a thing in Israel, at which both the ears of every one that heareth it shall tingle.
12  In that day I will perform against Eli all things which I have spoken concerning his house: when I begin, I will also make an end.
13  For I have told him that I will judge his house for ever for the iniquity which he knoweth; because his sons made themselves vile, and he restrained them not.


NAME:: Bro Steve Jacobs

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"Within 6 months after my death Jesus is going to come."



NAME:: Michael Rowland

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ralph is all done already and has been. He is a has been in the public eye they know and when the church world heard us leave and say what was going on down there the people knew right then that ralph was a liar and a cheat as so many had suspected.
 
Many accounts of sex stories had come and gone without court cases at the local police station, the whole town knows the score with ralph.
 
Now all that is left to do is damage control as the damage has been done to that false brothers slippery trap.
 
Ralph had a booming snowball effect that would have drawn thousands from around the world to visit and see that work had ralph been legit.
 
No they found out from a group of people who had given all and then were driven away losing their homes for various reasons only to share the snare waiting for the next group.
 
Damage control just keeps a few around to worship ralph but ralph won't obey the gospel so their worship is of a man.
 
ralph preaches a form of the Gospel but won't obey it or he would have to step down like Swaggart did.
 
ralph is now saying that his followers lied and he was not found guilty to the charges he admitted to.
 
Damage control is ralph telling himself and his band of indians that it never happened hoping to hook a few more into the nets of ralph worship of self,sex, power,pride,me,me,me.
 
The voices you hear in the Amen Amen corner will love you one minute and throw your family in the street the next.
 
They have their reward and it won/t be well with any of them in the presence of THE SELF EXISTENT ONE.
 
The King will not hear them when they cry.
 
We are one in Christ or you are not in HIM.
 
The people heard many hurt souls come on the world wide radio
 
to share what happened to them and each of them were right to
 
do so, very fearless people. It was the least they could do. ralph is mentally ill.
 
May the Power Of the Almighty rest on you.
 
Michael
 
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This lying dog

 

Also Ole Fred Phelps is Dead

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/20/us/westboro-church-founder-dead/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

he was 84

stair is 81

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All manner of sins are forgiven those that acknowledge and forsake their sins, not hide them and lie about doing them and in ralph's case must leave the false office he has assumed as leader and Holy Example. Ralph is not and has never been nor has he repented.

 

Hear is the voice of repentance from King David the sinner.

 

 

 

Psa 51:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash me thoroughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Hosea 14 For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him. 15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.



NAME:: Bro Mike

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Thanks for the audio Steve

Yup thats ralph as he damned all of the residences for catching him using 6 women at one time in 2001 when he was prosecuted.

 

Yes Sir that is the same ole ralph, yesterday, today and forever.

 

Like I said the things living in ralph only live for today's gradification so what difference does it make after he dies of old age as a lying Prophet, as long as he keeps everyone beat down into position to continue his sex-a-pades.

This guy loves to see folks falling humbly at his feet trembling fearfully. That is ralph's first love.

 

Next stop is to send everyone out into the fields to cultivate crops while he runs door to door asking young impressionable sister for hugs, ETC........................

Those demons may bring ralph $400 million but that don't make ralph Godly now does it?

ralph is a false Prophet.

 

 



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Ralph is a false brother first and a false prophet next.

Steve you asked, why ralph would say one thing and later say

he did not say it?

 

That is because "the lights are on" (So to speak)  but ralph is not

at home most of the time.

 

The thing people miss about leaders being deceived and

deceiving other people is that demons are in play.

 

Now if it was the spirit from God you would say it is not going

to be a lie, but when lie after lie presents itself in the form of a

lying preacher, it should be clear that these are demonic spirits.

 

Ralph was finally caught after many years of trapping girls at his

farm sexually and paraded right into the courtroom having the

gall to say that the young ladies were using him, not the other

way around.

 

This man is an unholy manifestation of demons. ralph has

powers to draw folks into his net so he can misuse and abuse the

girls, their fathers money and put himself up as the only

spokesmen on earth for God.

 

Ralph is totally without conscience 99% of the time and this

means demons rule ralph 99% of the time and still has 1% of

the time to repent.

 

Ralph's time is almost up.

 

Ralph is a mentally ill man who uses Jesus name to have power

over families with their money and bodies for work and

pleasure.

 

Ralph has been caught lying his whole life and will not come

under subjection to the will of God.

 

Only a Holy man can lead God's People and since ralph will

never humble himself to the word of God, he is the enemy of

God.

 

ralph wants to be revered and honored no matter what vile

lifestyle he leads in direct defiance to the word of God.

 

ralph is 99% possessed of demonic spirits so he does not think

clearly and does not care what he said before as compared to

what he is saying now.

 

It doesn't matter to those spirits controlling ralph's body, mind

and spirit being.

 

All that matters to those spirits is that they can beat up

the people and twist the word of God into saying that, having

sex with ralph is the will of God.

 

Give all your money and give the demons living in ralph the

power over your family.

 

This is what is going on at ralph stair OVERCOMHER farm I

mean OVERCOMER FARM.

 

"Come out of her" is the opening line for ralph's ministry as he

constantly twists the focus and purity of the Holy Scriptures for

use of an open raw sexual response.

 

Complete with, in service ralph style hand and body language

of sexually explicit gestures.

 

It is a sex farm.



NAME:: Steve

  Ralph Caught Lying

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Now the man knows he said Jesus would return before the year 2000. That audio has been on The Net Team website for years.

 

Do you think the man is just dumb, senile or both?

Or he's just operating in a deceptive spirit.

ralph is deceiving himself

 

 

Recorded last Sabbath service - March 1, 2014 11:17am

 

http://www.thenetteam.net/yr2000lie.mp3

 

year_2000_lie.mp3    http://stevesaudio.net/

 

ralph's been caught lying again

 

ralph tells little lies

Little lies here and there

One Brother said to raplh if you lie in the little things you'll lie

in the big things.

 

 

 


 

NAME:: Steve Jacobs

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Patience of the Saints

stair's voice is hoarse again. probably from shouting in the dining hall.

yeah he'll shout at these brothers try to wear em down

wearing out the patience of the saints

NAME:: Steve Jacobs

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Now stair saying that Kirk is going to hell.

The man has gone totally mad.

Whatever you want to say about Kirk he did preach the truth. I find no
fault in his messages.

NAME:: Steve

@  Anonymous

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Sign Here::  Yeah that's right Anonymous  God gave them over....

Rebellious children 1 Timothy 3:4   One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;


Colossians 3:20   Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.


2 Timothy 3:2   For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

 

 

You got a snot nose there. A snot nose

Snot nose A snot nose can be male or female.


It's someone who thinks they know something and knows it not like they ought.


1 Corinthians 8:2   And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.



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I think what Steve wanted to say is that like here in Romans there is a process that takes place with people where God gives them up first and like in the last verse this brings about a disobedience to parents because they hate them and later betray them in many ways. In some cases to death. Words kill so this could be only in the spiritual sense not a physical death.

Romans

.............................. God gave them over to a reprobate mind ...................

26  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections : for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

29  Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30  Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

 

You will notice that this generations is being filled with ALL Evil.

I think this is what you were getting at, weren't you steve?

Just in general terms nothing specific or personal toward any one individual.

I don't think Steve went down there to R G Stair's place, did you Steve?

I think steve hopes people get things right and that nothing harmful was meant to sling dirt on anyone. However it looks like very few are going to repent of their own personal desires whatever they are that are against the Law Of God.

Steve I believe that you are right about this generation being the one recorded here in Romans especially with all of the eroding values in America with nothing really considered a sin.

Most young people feel that they can live their lives any way they want and never consider if God likes or dislikes the way they live.

So they are against their parents when the parents try to teach them right and wrong.


 



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Insert any lie here Matthew 10:21,
 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child........... 


Proverbs 30:12,
 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes and yet not washed from their filthiness.


 Its funny how you rewrite scriptures to suit yourself.  You deleted part of Matthew 10:21 and skipped over a verse in Proverbs 10 because they didn't agree with your point or shown light on your own sin.
 You learned well from your master Bro Stair.

 

 



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The spirit of this age and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. Matthew 10:21

There is a generation Proverbs 30:11
There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.


Proverbs 30:13
There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.




This one. This generation.

 



NAME::   Steve

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Your foes Your foes Mike are those of your own household.


We can celebrate Christmas just a little bit can't we?


Let's all get in on the festive spirit.


It is a spirit.

 

 



NAME::  Mike

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Yeah I hate myself too sometimes but I am still praying that God will help me. I am doing the best I know how, to follow in the straight and narrow way.

Xmas is the broadway and many follow it. I did that for 40 years.  This is why I can not practice this "WAY OF THE HEATHEN"

I don't feel that I need Santa Clause to tell me when to buy my children a pair of socks, gloves, boots, coats, toys, cars or whatever.

I hope this helps you to relieve your hatred for my view point but I doubt it.

 

 



      I Hate You

 

Lyons Ks -Cox Com

 

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The Truth

You had me worried Mike . I thought you had forgotten what time of year it is. It is that glorious time of year when you turn your hate from the Church and giving and Brother Stair to those who celebrate the birth of the Savior. But I see you didn't disappoint.
  I wont get into the history that you butcher ( like you do Scripture ) to prove your point. I just wish I could believe it was the Santa lie ( by your parents) or the moral argument that sways you toward your point of view. But I cant. You claim to reject all of the current Christian customs and observances in favor of a hodgepodge of pseudo Jewish customs. You claim to keep the Sabbath but you only keep some of them and only the statutes that are convenient for you and only when its convenient.
  No I think it all boils down to the fact that youre just too cheap to give or do anything for those in your life. Weather it be family or anybody else.  And its easy to get away with it when you say you don't believe in it.


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The Light Before Christmas

 

‘Twas the night before Christmas; and strange as it seems

 

I wasn’t indulging in covetous dreams;

 

But reading my Bible, I searched for a clue

 

Why Christians take part in this holiday too.

 

…I plainly could see that it carried His name,

 

But the spirit behind it just wasn’t the same.

 

The songs spoke of wise men, of virgin and child,

 

Of shepherds, of God, and all men reconciled;

 

But nothing was said of the blood and the cross;

 

Of repentance, and faith, and of counting the cost.

 

They sang of the babe, His miraculous birth,

 

But not of the day when He’ll judge the whole earth.

 

My Bible said nothing of Santa, or toys,

 

Of Frosty the Snowman, and small drummer boys.

 

A reference to Rudolph not once did I see.

 

But it seems Jeremiah did mention the tree.

 

I sat and I pondered this curious matter,

 

When out on the roof there arose such a clatter

 

That I knew in a moment he soon would be here;

 

So I prayed in the Spirit and stood without fear.

 

He slipped down the chimney, quick as a flash,

 

And stepped from the fireplace all covered with ash.

 

There stood St. Nick with his bag and his beard,

 

He looked at the Bible I held, and he sneered,

 

“Another fanatical Christian, I see;

 

No stockings; no holly, no pictures of me.”

 

I asked him if Jesus was God in the flesh,

 

He said that was something he couldn’t confess.

 

He said, “I am Santa, I come from afar.”

 

I stood in the truth – “The Devil you are.

 

That suit and that beard doesn’t fool me one bit.

 

Your jolly deception is straight from the pit.

 

Beneath all your Ho Ho’s Lucifer lurks;

 

With your eyes of hate and your gospel of perks

 

Like a thief in the night you impersonate Christ,

 

Returning to judge the naughty and nice.”

 

“So call Christmas pagan,” he said, “That’s O.K.

 

‘Cause that’s what my sons at the Watchtower say.

 

You’ll look like a pagan or like a deceiver,

 

But none will suspect you to be a believer.”

 

I said, “I don’t care what your servants will say,

 

My loyalty lies with the Ancient of Days.

 

No matter how many abuses are hurled,

 

My Bible says be not comformed to this world.

 

You have no power, and no part of me,

 

So I stand on God’s Word, and command you to flee.”

 

He squealed like a pig that was stuck with a knife.

 

He ran to the chimney and climbed for his life.

 

And I heard him exclaim, as he drove out of sight,

 

“Merry Xmas to all, and a long, dark night.”

 

 



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Well, scriptures tell us to do good to those who do evil to us so when a person says "Merry Xmas" I take this as a blessing even if they are unaware of the pagan roots of XMAS so I will reply always "God Bless You Too"

They are ignorant of the true origin of XMAS like I was at one time in my life and I do not take out some kind of childish abuse on the unsuspecting person who is only being nice to the best of their abilities.

I hope people are willing to see what is right but I can not save them nor am I sent to them all to teach.

So it is like you say Steve I just keep it casual and light returning the common gesture of good will toward men.

The problem with the XMAS thing is everyone is all happy and silly on Dec 25 speaking words of blessings that they normally could never say so in this respect I quess this part is good, but the rest of the year their hate for one another sticks out like horns as they stay as far away from each other as possible.

After all once a year is as much as can be expected.

Through out the year the same ole war zone, but on XMAS they get together because they are kin and to ease the air bring the jug of wine to lighten their load.

Then it is back to staying as far away from one another for the other 364 days of the year.

Oh how they love one another on XMAS. XOXOXO fony bologna.

And so if you don't do like they do with this fony once a year XMAS tradition then you are not a good person like they are.

This is the "I am better than you" because I do XMAS once a year and you call yourself a Godly man?

Now you are the Ebenezer Scrooge of XMAS a hypocrite for not putting up a tree once a year and speaking lying words of XOXOXOXOOXOXOX.

This is the advanced condition with family who claim to be the ultra Saint.

The store clerk or check out attendant will invariably say "Merry Xmas" just as a friendly word and I always say "God Bless You Too"

That expression is a wonderful way of getting people to understand what they are or are not saying in this once a year superficial tradition that never had anything to do with the One God. 

Xmas has always been Pagan with many many gods. But the average person does not know that nor do they think about it much til their credit card is full and they realize after many years that they were socially compelled and entangled with a sort of forced buying frenzy.

Nothing wrong with giving all through the year, but this once a year gift that often is done in a competive way is manipulative and unholy. Oh you gave me me me more than them and I must be the favorite and so on.

America is now becoming a third world nation and even with the prospect of a total money collapse they still run up their credit til the day they die never intending to pay it.

 

 

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 Yeah Mike, you won't run to the same excess of riot with them. And they speak evil of you because of it. (1 Peter 4:4 )


What I do is when someone wishes me Merry Christmas I say same to you. This avoids the hassle of explaining it or casting pearls to swine.

 

 



NAME:: Steve

SUB:: Merry Christmas?

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Sign Here::  Someone just wished me a Merry Christmas. (A Christian)


If Christmas and Easter are Christian holidays why does the world love them so?


Nowhere in Scripture are we told to celebrate His birth

 

 



NAME:: Bro Mike

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Yeah all my family critizes me for not getting a tree and kneeling down in front of it running with the crowd because after all "everybodies doin it"

Never mind "Learn not the way of the Heathen"

Mistletoe, Yull log burning, tinsel, Evergreens, candy canes, Catholic Saint Nicholas, wreaths hardly a soul knows what their meaning is.

All pagan.

Everyone forgets that King Herod was sending the wise men to find out when the promised seed would be born so he could kill the baby.

The parents ran to hide the baby, the wisemen were offering gifts to expose the baby's location and were scared to death and went the other way away from the King herod after an Angel visited them in a dream.

cHurches today tell you the wisemen were baring gifts and they were our example, so where is all yall's money folks, where are your gifts?

Demanding gifts in the form of money.

The people have a revolting and rebellious heart. They want the milk toast version of wooden lying cHurch.

I could go on and on but few want these truths and all because they are unwilling to separate from the world and suffer.

Suffer as evil doers because they are doing what is right and that lifestyle makes all these other fony cHristians look bad.

 

Mike



NAME:: Steve

  Gene Scott

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stair is singing the praises of his old mentor Gene Scott.

Gene Scott would get on the air cussing, smoking cigars, talking sex dirty talk.

Fits right into stair's categ
ory


NAME::    Steve

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 You wouldn't bow down and worship him Mike. That's why he run you off.


You see Lucifer used to be in charge of the worship. He would direct the worship to the Father (where it rightly belongs). Till one day he said, I will be like the most high. he took the worship to himself.


Isaiah 14:14


Ezekiel 28:15


stair was in charge of the worship. Travelling evangelists would use him. he was good at that. he could whip the crowd into a frenzy and boy would the offerings come in.


"This is the voice of a last day prophet of God."


"This is the voice of THE last day prophet of God."


Worship. he wants to be worshipped.

 

 



NAME:: Bro Mike

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Ralph Stair is an unrepentant Lying false Prophet and that is the

word of the living God. I told ralph stair that he could not

continue telling people he qualified as God's man if he could not

perform the duties of a novice.

 

Ralph ran me off his farm in a few hours.

 

Scripture tells us that a false prophet says he speaks in God's

name and when the things spoken does not come to pass as

stated, the sheep are told not to fear that prophet.

 

This is because he is a false prophet speaking vainly so people

will worship him and follow him. This is the meaning in

scripture speaking lies or vanities. In other ways of putting this

the man who claims prophet status and repeatedly turns out to

be giving false predictions, is speaking from his own evil heart

for selfish purposes.

 

God said that HE would see to it that these type of men who speak vanities in HIS NAME end up suffering the evil that they themselves said their God would especially save them from.

 

These false leaders tell the flock that because they are so much

on the inside track with God and made their abode with HIM

that all that they speak IS GOD'S WORD. And even after their

date setting falls short of their so called words from God, they

always come up with some kind of excuse that gets them off the

hook. Their words mean nothing, they are like the wind.

 

These are the words of God.

 

This is how they speak vanities.

 

HE(GOD) is not going to spare ralph stair for playing with the

name Jesus to gain position and power so he can have any

woman at anytime as he has stated to the brothers.

 

Ralph is going to quite probably die in his sins the way he is

handling things at his false show ministry.

 

Many men have sexual weaknesses that they suffer and God

will forgive them, just as HE will forgive Ralph in Jesus name,

however these men are less than a novice and can never be

exalted to lead position as a best example for the younger in the

house of God.

 

This is common sense and the word of the living God.

 

Ralph is being slowly possessed by spirits that channel through

him and when ralph speaks he sounds for real because the evil

living there speaks without conscience from his being.

 

ralph probably can not repent because he is controlled by lying

spirits. This is the reward of channeling lying spirits his whole

life long.

 

Like so many men with position and power ralph has made

himself to look good in the eyes of others over money and acts

of favoritism.

 

Many have been fooled. Money and position mean nothing to a

Godly man over against lies and deceptions.

 

God's people are sent to expose these dogs and expose them we

have. These souls are filling up their cups.

 

 

Amen

 



NAME::       Steve

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 I heard ralph telling his congregation again most of them haven't been saved right.


It's God who does the saving ralph, not you and if He does it - it's done RIGHT. The Bible tells us He does all things well (Mark 7:37).


Then ralph went on to tell the people again how he is The Son of Man.


you're not The Son of Man ralph. you're a dog.

 



NAME:: Steve

FROM:: New Audio

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www.stevesaudio.net 

 

back_of_a_jack_ass.mp3

get_out_of_FL.mp3

claims.mp3

NAME:: Bro Mike

FROM:: Pastor Dan C.

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Pastor Dan has another website

http://www.prophecyhour.com/

 

 

Also we have updated our site in the testimonies

http://messiahsbranch.org/art_brother_stair.htm

NAME:: Steve

        persecuting stair

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 stair says that we're persecuting him. And that would be true if we didn't have anything to back up what it is we're saying.


We have the audio files. We have people that lived there many years.


We have more than two or three witnesses.


he's a dog


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Let me say that concerning the audio that Steve posted from Ralph Stair that he loves to mix his preaching with sexual talk.

I remember ralph's favorite phrase has always been directed at the young girls like this "He wants to come in unto you"

This phrase is found in scripture and is continually used by ralph over and over again as he looks into the eyes of his captives.

ralph has learned to catch the prey. First the prey must be held endless hours being bombarded with sexual slogans and must not be permitted to marry.

Oh ralph has married off 2 or 3 people in 20 years but he tells them all he will not do it and Brad and Stacey left the farm to marry. Went out of state and then returned to the farm.

ralph uses sexy statement to provoke various responses all inside of his inflamed perverted desires as we might expect from a prophet of Baal.

 

Infact the newspapers reported ralph stair to be a "prophet of baal" upon his arrest for forcing himself many many times on the young ladies at his farm.

Ralph will always talk sexual from his pulpit pushing some out so he can get some fresh meat into their seats.

ralph ran right up into Crickets trailer for another round of cat and mouse style sex all through his probationary proceedings when he was exposed as a sex offender by the farm dweelers and the media.

 

 

 



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 Do you ever wonder? How many babies stair has aborted or had aborted?


he has much blood on his hands



aborted_baby.mp3
(below abortion clip)


stair talks about his experience murdering little babies.


swift_judgment.mp3
(above pope pic)


www.stevesaudio.net

 



That's his method of birth control. Murder the little baby
.

 

Dead fetuses Yeah stair's seen a lot of dead fetuses.


Get 'em to lie in a hot salt bath. Turn the water up as high as possible. Push the dead baby out...


Out it goes. What do they do with the baby? Throw it in the trash?


Dig a shallow grave?


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Stair preaches from his OWN heart. He preaches about himself. Thus, if he is lying and he knows it, he is preaching and telling everyone 'you are a liar'. Thus Stair actually preaching to himself. Telling himself that "Ralph, you are a liar."


I remember Stair telling those who would enter the pulpit essentially........'Whatever you preach, it is for you first.' What he has neglected in His own preaching is to "judge yourselves and prove your own selves to see whether ye are in the faith".


He has no discernment to judge himself

NAME:: Steve

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Betrayal. Just below betrayed. Betrayal is going to come from within.

http://dedicated7.comlu.com/audio.htm 

damn_liars.mp3


stair calls everyone a liar except himself


hard_hearted.mp3


NAME:: Steve

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 Oh yeah ralph has always been chased down by angry fathers, jealous husbands. he's lucky someone hasn't done him in already.


Thomas Belford was tempted but understood if he did that he'd spend the rest of his life in prison which is not worth it for the likes of ralph.

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Yeah the motive will be unknown till that great gettin up

morning. Alot of those Preachers are womanizers like ralph told

his audience worldwide that he was being chased by a man with

a gun for overtaking his wife in a weak moment.

 

The wooden cHurch thing is one big soap.

 

Jesus and Paul were driven out of the organized assemblies.

 


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 http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/28/us/louisiana-pastor-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


Louisiana pastor shot and killed while preaching

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Yes sir I want to point out the false prophet strategy.

 

Scripture says that the Prophet's prophecy lies saying

 

    "Sword and famine will not come"

 

 

This is exactly what ralph stair states that God told him the

 

southern states would keep sword and famine away from their

 

group if they would move in and give all of their money.

 

 

Sword and famine has already overtaken the farm life spiritually

 

speaking. In the Old Testament war was in the phsyical and in

 

the New Testament our war is in the spirit.

 

 

Men living at the farms are reported to be working off the land

 

and taking drugs on the farms, going up into girls trailors, going

 

out to night clubs in the evening and early morning hours.

 

 

 

Drinking homemade wine and beer practicing drunken

behavior.

 

 

 

The whole group overlooking and knowing these facts still

 

backing up ralph who is leading the way in this UnGodly

 

pattern, in "the name of the Lord"

 

 

 

The Lord did say that by sword and by famine that these

 

prophet's and the people following these prophet's would die by

 

the same.

 

 

Are not the farm members in spiritual famine by following lies

 

never seeing that their leader has prophecied lies in the NAME

 

OF THE LORD?

 

 

Shall not I visit for these things saith the Lord?

 

Yet they say come to our secret chambers and be safe.

 

 

The Lord has raised up the false prophet to test you to see what

 

is in your heart to see if you will follow the LORD or follow

 

lies.

 

 

Behold if they say come, the Lord (Jesus Christ) is in the secret

 

place at the farms, go not forth.

 

 

Many false Christ's and prophet's say that only their location

 

holds salvation in Christ like the Canady's farm leader ralph

 

says. In fact all of these related farms say that if you leave them

 

you are doomed.

 

Shall not I visit for these things "Saith the Lord"

 

 

 

 



NAME:: Steve

CRIMINAL MISCONDUCT

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When stair was locked up for two counts of CRIMINAL

 

SEXUAL MISCONDUCT (excuse the legal term) on two

 

teenage girls the only thing he could do was complain that he

 

couldn't get coffee

Yeah and let's not forget now "I just want to be a normal girl. I

 

want to have a boyfriend."


An old man with a yellow beard and broken teeth looks back at

 

her, "I will be your boyfriend."

NAME:: Brother Mike

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Here is one definition of delusion that has ralph stair written all over it. ralph has all of the signs of dementia.

This infection is slow and sure and comes from living a sinful life away from God.

Sadly many of the vilest men who infect many innocent girls only suffer slight effects, while some of their many partners die at early ages.

Jesus will forgive and heal those who are repentant.

Electromedicine is now curing even HIV and AIDS through the use of microcurrents to charge the blood and disable all diseases including cancer..

Young people will be able to get free in time.

 

 

 

 

Dementia

(taken from Latin, originally meaning "madness",

 

Dementia is not a single disease, but a non-specific syndrome with a set of signs and symptoms.

 

Some people become restless or wander about by day and sometimes at night.
When people with dementia are put in circumstances beyond their abilities,
there may be a sudden change to tears or anger

 

A common symptom of dementia for dementia sufferers to deny that relatives,
even relatives in their immediate family, are their own relatives.

Dementia comes when the bodies immune system is broken down, often by sexual contact of dozens of people in their lifetime.

Syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases damage the bodies ability to keep itself free from many other infections as well.

In the end wicked and adultrous activities will find out the victims as well as the forword perpetrator by a wide varity of symptoms.

The world is spiraling down into mental illness because of their inability to live a pure life.

As the years go by the state of mind is totally given over to these delusionary spiritual forces.

NAME:: Steve

  Stair Prophecies Lies

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Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. Jeremiah 14:14


This is exactly what ralph stair does. he prophecies lies IN HIS NAME


A FALSE VISION


DIVINATION


The deceit of his own heart


A thing of NOUGHT


You know all his false prophecies. Not even one has come to pass.



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stair declares himself to be "the most iniquitous man in this generation"


part_of_the_price.mp3


stair wants you to give all your money again. Of course to him


http://dedicated7.comlu.com/audio.htm

 No Bro. Mike. You weren't hypocrites. You were under the control and delusion of a mind-control freak. A real pro at his trade.




 

NAME:: Yer Bro.......Mike

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Okay I lived there at the farm 6 years and the last 2 the brunners wanted to leave and tried only to come back with faulty trucks.

The brunners can back in hours. Later they left again after more time spent in the dinninghall with ralph asking who else wanted to leave.

ralph started asking this question 2 years before they left in 1998,1999 somewhere approx.

Rienert, glasier, brunner, Higbee all knowing everything left out in the open with each getting plenty of money.

I believe it was done this way in exchange for their silence.

ralph has a way of intimidating folks and holding the money over their heads that they need to provide for their families upon exiting.

Rather than trusting God for a place to live and money to live on many are quick to fall under the condemantion of ralph's tactics.

In otherwords they were all asked over the telephones if they knew ralph had been using various young ladies and they acted like they knew nothing.

All who stayed that knew their families also left shortly told everyone later that these families knew everything.

So we were faced with a bare faced lie and yes I think it was because each one was forced to give his word if they were to get an ample sum that would remove any burden of living expenses.

 

This is the only thing that makes any sense.

 

ralph held these families several months wearing them all out day in and day out before he released the money that they needed.

Many of these family members displayed only a love for themselves and their families, where as Christians do not put their natural families before their brothers and sisters.

We were in a family of God or so we said but when the truth was revealed through testing even the biggest supposed pastor false brothers, false prophets were worse than the average getto neighbor hood stoners.

Out for their's man.

Make any excuse to make their actions Godly.

Like Thomas had said in previous messages brunner never warned him once.

The reason is that these families I mentioned above were conditioned for many months and told that the belford would take their place.

This was the big break they had been waiting for.

All men are hypocrites including me at one time or another.

Easy prey is what we all are.

The saints are in the process of being overcome.

That is why that farm is called the overcomer.

 

 

 

 

 

 



NAME:: Steve

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 Kirk used to carry suitcases full of cash to the Central American nation of Belize as well as The Cayman Islands.


stair has millions in offshore banks. he's a multi-millionaire.


Is it possible Kirk may have skimmed some cash for himself?


We don't know really how much money was taken from ministry funds. A proper investigation should be initiated by state and federal authorities. I think Travis Avant already looked into this.

NAME:: Bro Mike

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People who help ralph defile another young lady in the name of

the Lord are no different than those who were judged for

building up the high places of Baal worship as recorded in

scripture.

 

"Pray not for this people" Or "Stop bringing up these people"

before ME is what God said about Baal worshippers.

 

Instead of loving THE LORD THEIR GOOD with all their

hearts, they have been tested and shown to be creature

worshippers.

 

Scripture says that God told HIS Prophet that these people must

repent just like everyone else but they will not.

 

They are sealing their own judgment.

 

God said HE would show them HIS back and not HIS face

when they cry for deliverance on the day of destruction.

 

Mean while they take the easy way. That is hate.


NAME:: Steve

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 I don't think they hate you so much there Mike. They just have stair's person in admiration because of advantage. (Jude 1:16). The advantage they receive of him.


Whether they hear or not you have spoken to them the Word. Your hands are clean. (Ezekiel 3:19)



NAME:: Mike Rowland

Cop out Bros........

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The folks on the overcomer hate me without a cause and do not want any of my words.

They have me all over the web and still the shut the truth out.

They have moses and the Prophets let these people hear them on their way at the man made overcome hell.

I won't pet these demonic pity pot attitudes



NAME:: Steve

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I told you that stair's death would be the sign & seal that he was a
false prophet.

You sort of contradicted me on that. You told us that it would just be the sign.

I told you that it would be the sign & seal.

It's going to seal in his destruction. It's going to seal in his damnation.

his damnation for a long time slumbereth not.

You're in the wrong place Mike Rowland. You need to get back down
there and offer support to those who are leaving and to those who are
still on stair's compound.

And you need to get back on radio.

That's your calling.

God will provide a way.

NAME:: Kathy

Kitchen Nightmares fan

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 Good day Bro Mike :-) I am a HUGE Kitchen Nightmares fan and LOVE your analogy Bro Mike (I never would have thought of that, cool)! You are right Dowell is a flesh and blood man, capable of sin like all of us. We know and understand that, have warned him a few times, have prayed and continue til this day to pray for him (we never stopped)BUT like yourself that will not stop us from warning others. As long as he is not walking in God's way, we will WARN others, lest their blood be upon our hands, Amen?


Eze_33:3  If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;


Eze_3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.


1Th_5:14  Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.


Eze_33:9  Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.


There are more verses on warning others. I am not doing this with hatred in my heart or to be a meanie, but out of LOVE for those who are still involved with Dowell and those who are checking him out. Yes, I do like things about Dowell that others may be offended by or not. He's very blunt and straight forward, he introduced me and my husband to deliverance (the right way), he bought us OUT of the Christian Church, pagan practices, changed the way we should look at God's word, I received deliverance from his wife and 3 other sisters (who DO have power), and more! I have NEVER dismissed his good, however we have seen him change in a big way over the past couple of years. He's grown prideful, arrogant, controlling, EXPECTS the high seat amongst all, he twists scriptures now more than ever for his OWN gain, he bashes his followers, calling them names and putting fear into their hearts and more! He is NOT the Pastor Dowell I came across about 3 years ago, I love him still but it does hurt to see these horrible changes and for me to have to warn others is also hurtful because I never thought I would have to do this with HIM! Biship TD Jakes, YES, Creflo Dollar, YES, Benny Hinn, YES, Kenneth Copeland, YES, BUT, Dowell??!! I'm just shaking my head!!


I have had people that are SO-CALL warning others but they are just spewing hatred to cause drama contact me too. I got rid of them FAST, my testimony about Straitway is NOT for entertainment. When I told them this, they got mad and tried to CHEW ME OUT, LOL! Oh well, this is the world in which we live, smh.


Peace, Love and Blessings Brother Mike :-)
Kathy Smith


NAME:: Yanique

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Another thing, i did notice that one of his DO BOYS jsnip4 moved himself and his family (wife and daughters) to be closer to dear leader in Feb. 2013. Think that only lasted a couple of months.


I wonder if he "GAVE ALL" to dear leader.


Also he said dear leader and some of the guys at the compound went all the way to Florida to help him move. Now when my husband was moving our stuff there in 11', he said he couldn't help and that the guys couldn't go either b/c there was too much stuff to get done there. We live 2 hrs. at the most from him in TN.


NAME:: Yanique

NOT SO straitway

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 Talking about leaving NOT SO straitway. I remember seeing a video of him going to the races w/carol, chuck, and daughter. He had the best of the best of gear, bike, truck and whatever else he need there. Even a tent just for the cute little family.


Then one of the women there told me about a trip THEY(all the rest of NOT SO straitway went on). They went on a hiking trip all together at the same time, but dear leader wasn't there. He gets to go w/his family and have his own personal time, but everyone else had to do as a group.


I remember when he was leaving to go on vacation w/his wife to Pigeon Forge TN, he was talking about, being afraid that when he comes back the place will be all messed up, and that he didn't wanna leave and come back and the place wouldn't be there anymore, b/c the people there doesn't know how to act and take care of things when he's not around.


The things i heard come out of him and carol's mouth about the people they call "saints" or "brothers" and "sisters", just DESPICABLE.


dowell is the perfect example of "Do as i say and not as i DO".


Nothing i said was or is FALSE, and my husband and i were eyewitnesses to everything i said in my testimony. No accuser of the brethren here.


He says there's 2 sides to a story, well we told ours, and instead of telling his, he ridicules, berate, brow beat, and most of all SHUNNING, and the people follow him like he's God himself.


Why not bring the matter before the saints like he(dowell) always says and get it resolves. Instead he takes to his BULLYPIT or youtube(his other BULLYPIT) to let the world(that he tells everyone to get out of) know that it's time once again to SHUN someone he deems to have some spirit or not a true believer. Just plain PATHETIC and CONTROL FREAK.


Don't ever go against dear leader or you'll be SHUNNED and banished to hell. SARCASM






NAME:: Bro Mike

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Hello Dear Gullible Sheep

I got pulled into a cult and experienced ralph stair the man and

all of his good and bad traits. Men by nature are sinners and

Preacher Dowell I am sure will agree.

 

Of course community leaders will agree with many things in a

verbal discussion and latter go completely against what they

said out of habits.

 

I got to say I used to be a bulley and didn't realize it so let me

share how it works.

 

Let's start with me and my 3 brothers. When we were coming

up I was the big brother. Loud, first to speak, out going,

verbally pushy. Grandma favored me more because I was the

first to jump onto her lap and I could never understand the

perspective Dad had telling me to get down and let the other

boys talk.

 

I was the biggest brightest out spoken little boy who only cared

about getting mine. I alway thought I was the smartest like

Grandma said and so fuels the fire of selfish behavior, the spoil

them rotten philsophy of human nature.

 

It took me 50 years to see clearly on this subject.

 

I knew it was wrong but I did the same things I had always done

never really figuiring out what I had done wrong most of the

time. It didn't take 50 years to stop being selfish but it did take

awhile to fix the broken attitudes between us, even though we

have always talked and been friends.

 

I don't care what man it is, that man is a man with the

weaknesses of men. The communes need out spoken men to

come into these places and fix the bad habits that go on day to

day without the person really knowing or seeing their errors.

 

Look at the "Iron chef" "Hells Kitchen nightmares" shows where all of the

people have huge sums of money tied up in restaurants, can't

keep customers because of bad attitudes and food.

 

It is the same with these communes. You have a one leader

ruler dictator who refuses to use the 5 fold ministry formula

given by God.

 

Hell's Kitchen nightmares is the best analogy comparing the best spiritual

food and Holy Spirit filled attitudes. Until the Holy Spirit is

permitted into the community to bring a first class meal backed

up by a living example, that community will be forever battling

with the old nature.

 

Dowel is a man and has good and bad point like all men and I

must say from personal contact with him that I have alway liked

the man. But he is a man with short coming like each and every

man.

 

It is not to late for him. Pray for him as you report all of the

things YOU KNOW are wrong. I am sure you liked many things

about Dowell.

 

Hell I like alot of things about R G Stair to, but I won't be

silenced and told to shutup when I see demons running that

community.

 

Running a community without the order of GOD is impossible.

 

The order I am talking about is this.

 

More than one ministry leader with the leaders all in subjection

to one another.

 

No one man can cast anyone out without

witnesses and due process meaning a peroid of time.

 

All of the leaders work and pay for everything, never

commanding a false tithe as a way of getting out of working for

a living.

 

The leaders must do this for a peroid of years first and

"Give ALL" that they make to help others spiritually to get on

their feet away from drunkedness whoredom and so on.

 

The leaders must do this as an example or their high sounding

words in the Bulleypit are empty janglings.

 

The "Give All" command must start by example from the

leaders. These leaders who are then giving in this way for a

peroid of years can not save and damn any one person without

the ruling councils intervention.

 

Once away from the one man owner CEO corporation dictator

Roman Imperor worldly view of LAW AND ORDER, the spirit

of God can work miracles.

 

As long as one man owns it all and operates it "ALL" and is

commanding "GIVE ALL" it will not take a rocket science class

to understand the spirit of that ministry.

 

Fear of losing it "ALL" is why the leaders will not do it the other way, the way of God.

 

The leaders and I mean more than one MUST GIVE ALL first

without fear of losing it all because only then can they be

proven leaders who walk by faith.

 

In "Hells Kitchen" the owners have given up and let outsiders

come in,sitting the operators down so they can see it done

right. The visiting cook does not care about the old way things

were done by the failing management personal.

 

They come in with a perspective of honoring the basic princple

of "do unto others as you would have them put stuff on your

plate".

 

The spiritual food on the plate of these communities will always

have a bad smell and bad taste as long as men are not following

the order of God.

 

This is not possible because the communities have one "ALL

POWERFUL" head who will not humble himself in the spirit.

 

And let me say this is not an easy task. The best way to clear all

of this up as to what I am talking about is found in the scripture

concerning husbands and wives.

 

We as males learn to "give honour unto the wife", it starts with

listening to what the wife says out of love. If this is done there

will be action not just words.

 

If Christ has not been something they learn with their wives in

this way these males can never do the same thing with the

weaker or lesser members of the body of Christ.

 

The organizations formed in America called cHurches have

another Jesus and know nothing about what I am preaching

here.


 

 


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Jimmy Jones  DO BOYS

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Jimmy Jones  Dowell

 

 

Good evening to all of you, I pray all is well with you and your families.


First I have to correct Yanique on one thing (no fault to her, just correcting any misunderstanding), we NEVER LIVED at Straitway, but have visited twice. Our son Ajani also visited this last Passover with one of the followers who traveled there (we paid her car rental for her to go with her 2 children and she invited Ajani to ride along) because he wanted to see his "friends" for the last time. We talked to him before hand and he still wanted to go and see his "friends" because he knew once we spoke out that their parents would have them shut him out, he's 15.


Dear Leader Dowell and his followers practice SHUNNING in a huge way. If Jimmy Jones Dowell SAYS to mark and avoid someone, they do just that without question or hearing the other party's side! Not Biblical at all!! But hey, they ARE commandment breakers so enough said!


Dowell is an avid false accuser, yet when someone comes to him about something they HEARD from another source about him (dowell) or one of his gift giving/ worshipping DO BOYS then he tells them to not break the commandment by being a false accuser (though he sees himself being excempt from this). Check out this video, "They Said", he just put up a couple of days ago!


http://youtu.be/l6EG5tRRed0


What a HYPOCRITE!!! THIS SHOWS HOW HE IS DOUBLE MINDED AND UNSTABLE IN HIS WAYS.


What I think is scary is the fact that after watching the documentary on the real Jim Jones, It just oozed of Straitway, I felt sick to my stomach, no joke. At this time I beleive many of his followers would FIGHT, KILL and/or DIE protecting him.


Dowell even has a Do Boy who is now a private investigator (yes he is a legal PI) and does Dowell's DIRTY work with looking up people and performing BACKGROUND checks!! This info came from good friends of mine who have also left the ministry, they have no reason to lie!


What I wonder is with ALL of this traveling Dowell's doing (he just came back from Hawaii to so call VISIT saints, mkay). How often do the others get to leave Straitway, besides going to the LOCAL Walmart? How often do the children get to go and do things like go to the movies, amusment parks, or even bowling or roller skating? A few of the "sisters" who live on the commune don't even have a DL, let alone a vehicle of there own. Dowell keeps a very tight leash on them there, you can feel and see it.


Peace, Love and Blessings,
Kathy Smith
 



NAME:: Yanique

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 I was thinking. The reason why GOD hardened dowells heart and have him refuse to return OUR things (like Pharaoh refusing to let his people go).


If he had returned OUR THINGS, then i think i would have just gone away,(I KNOW I WOULD HAVE) and not warned anyone, and shed LIGHT on the DARKNESS. I would not be telling my story of the experiences we went through and learned from, and letting others learn from us.


I would have just chalked it up to "SAME RELIGIOUS STUFF DIFFERENT DAY".


Also knowing and letting others know that GOD is TRULY FAITHFUL and will NEVER leave us in or time of need.


Was a thought that went through my head time and time again, and it was like a "LIGHT BULB" went off and made me realize it was all done so these devils can be EXPOSED. It truly is a small price to pay to HELP others see the light.


So i'm actually happy it turned out the way it did, b/c now i see the BIGGER and BRIGHTER PURPOSE of why things happen the way they did.


NAME:: Bro Mike

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It has been brought to my attention that internal affairs of a

Church and it's members can only be ruled on by the state if it

involves ferderal crimes.

 

Unless followers can show criminal actions on the part of the

leadership, all internal misunderstanding must be dealt with by

the Church with the stae having no say about it.

 

According to the Attorney Generals office in SC. the leaders are

free to live anuway the group agrees on. So as long as no one is

commiting  a federal crime all matter have to be decided on by

the Churches board of directors.

 

The state says that these issues of infighting and disagreements

are out of their hands to control and is the basis of separation of

Church and State . 

 

The  State says that the members musthandle their own

businessand that the State can not get involved with people

wanting their money back ETC.

 

In other words the STATE says that ONLY MEMBERS have

the right to change and make policy concerning Church affairs

if members feel things are not properly ordered.

 

The whole basis of separation from the gov/rule is that

Churches can make their own, so the board members must do

this if it is to be done.

 

Part of this process is that members have a voice to be heard

from so Church community life can be decided on. If the

members have only a small board with a few ruling members

and some followers do not agree then it is within their rights to

leave.

 

So what the State is saying is that if you don't like cult

community order then you should return to the States way of a

much more orderly control standard.

 

Or you could say that the STATE who is hearing victims talk

about what they feel is out of order, is saying "WE TOLD YOU

SO" or you should have not given yourselves over to a

commune, instead you should follow the State.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Yanique

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 Here's the e-mail dowell sent to the webpage owner, and why he took it down.


From: Pastor Dowell <
straitwater@nctc.com>
To:TC (town crier)
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:45 PM
Subject: Hi Sir This Is Pastor Dowell


Shalom,
 
It has come to my attention that you are the one who has put up a website against me.
 
Sir, I do not know you, and I cannot understand why anyone would do such a thing. 99.9% of the people who say bad things about me are just offended, they have never "if I have ever done anyone wrong," They have never came to me personally and said this is the reason why I am offended at you.
 
If that was the case, I would do whatever I could to get it right. However I am not allowed the opportunity to ever face my accusers and those who have made me their personal enemies. This of course is not fair.
 
It has come to my attention that Philip and Yanique are the ones who ask you to put up this site.

 

May I ask you a question, have I ever done you any wrong? Apparently, Yanique thinks that I have, but I can prove without a shadow of doubt that I have not done her wrong. She is according to the Bible, allowed to tell her side of the story to the people of the Church, "if I have done so" and they as well as myself would be glad to hear it.
 
As a matter of fact I would be more than happy to video tape it for the whole world to see. However I doubt that she will want to do this. So in the eyes of the Bible, she is the guilty party.
 
Also, it is against the law of this land "America",  to slander and defame the character of another individual. This is a punishable crime because it effects the life of the individual, their livelihood, job, "if they ever decide to run for public office," etc.
 
I have been advise by attorneys of the law that actually listen to my ministry to sue these people and they would do all the footwork. It would be easy to trace and find all who are involved.

 

I informed them that at this time I am not ready to move forward with this. However this has not stopped and many people are just out right tired of hearing these kinds of things. So I am almost force to move forward. I do have the time and money to pursue legal action against Phillip and Yahique Elliot. There is enough information on the internet to do so.
 
I am at about 85% convinced to go ahead and move forward against them to protect my name from these type of people.
 
John Reed said that he has spoken with you and he ask you to remove the website. That of course is totally up to you. He also mentioned to me today that he said all of those things just because he was mad at me. I told Brother John that I forgive him and I will also forget everything he has done and will receive him with open arms as a brother. I am happy John is back in the Church again.
 



 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Yanique

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 Thank you very much Bro. Mike, for putting my Testimony up, i didn't think it would get on by the way i did it. I've had a few contacts that have also left dowell's CULT of DECEPTION. I meant "SHOULDN'T" about dowell saying i shouldn't wear a bathing suit. After my testimony was put up on dowellisstair(which has been taken down), I'll put up the e-mail dowell sent to the owner of the webpage here. My testimony attracted people who've escaped his grip, and the ones that are loyal to him. There is this one his name is ROOFus, and he has such a polluted mind, telling the owner of dowellisstair that he(should come and warm me up). He's very VILE, and disgusting, just like dowell. They said somethings that was said in PRIVATE DELIVERANCE, on the website. That just showed me and put the FINAL NAIL in their COFFIN of DECEPTION, that they're not who they say they are or proclaim to be. Now i see why many don't leave, whatever you tell them they hold it over your heads as a tool to make sure you don't leave. 

 

After my testimony, i guess his(dowell)daughter read it and she made a video on her youtube page saying she was coming to TN to "OPEN A CAN OF WHOOP A**" on me, and she also called into his blogtalk radio, saying "SHE'S PRAYING FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF HER ENEMIES FLESH" (ME), even though she's never met me, simply b/c i gave an accurate account of my experiences while staying there, and the reasons why i left. I guess she's really her FATHER'S DAUGHTER. She also made a video about homosexuality and how she has friends that are great and none what people have said about them is true, and that they are the nicest people you'll every meet. I wonder how her father answers this when people ask about her views conflicting w/his? The funny thing is, he never "CUT HER OFF" even though she's in the world, like he tells his followers to do. So it's ok to split other families up, but not his. DO AS HE SAYS, BUT NOT AS HE DOES, what a HYPOCRITE.

 

I also been talking to someone (Kathy) who just left his compound w/her husband and 2 children. She has a youtube page (skaismith) exposing her recent bout w/dowell. Instead of sticking w/the facts of the things she said, he makes FUN of her, and not addressing the things she speaks about, just like he did w/me. Some of the things she says, tells me he's only getting worse, and i just pray that some of those kids get out before it all goes bad. She says when she went there dowell took out our gun and showed it off and let them hold the ammo, and the guys that went to g.o.t.s 2012 had a blast shooting it. She asked 1 of the people there about the truck and they said it was a donation(what LIARS) just parroting everything the leader tells them. But she did let me know, that they are not driving it b/c they can't find someone to insure it. What irony, and how GOD works in mysterious ways, so he refuses to give back something he can't use. Just won't admit he was wrong.

 

THANKS VERY MUCH, it's nice to know that i can be a hero to you or anyone needing help.All the testimonies on the netteam helped us and i want mine to do the same. My husband always said i was a shining star, and i try to be for anyone who needs it. I would never give up on him or give him over to those VULTURES. That's the husband GOD gave me and i wasn't gonna let some EARTHLY MAN take him away from me w/out the fight GOD instilled in me. I think it was also a test to see if i trusted and believed in the LORD and was thankful/grateful for the husband he blessed me with. I'm my husbands HELP MEET, and was there to help him "meet" this "devil"head on :))) I want my testimony read by every and anyone looking for help in making a decision b4 moving or going to any of these places. I have alot more to say, and will be posting more, b/c he needs to be exposed like his mentor Stair.


Oh, we did buy another truck and enjoyed it before we sold it again June of this year. I really wanted our stuff back especially the gun, but dowell not giving it back, was more important, b/c i was needing to get my husband from under the spell he was under. I needed to show him that dowell wasn't who he says he was and coveted the things of the world that he told us we shouldn't. So dowell thinks not giving it back and cutting my husband off was gonna affect us. It actually made me very happy b/c i got my husband back and he was awoken out of the trance he was in. Also he is still only 85% of the way in deciding to SUE me, i guess he never found the other 15%, haha. Just always blowing smoke, and it only suffocates those who thinks he's all powerful, but i trust in the TRUE GOD to protect me and not some man. He did get up in his BULLYPIT and told the "saint" to pray for our destruction, but we knew GOD was our protection and nothing he sent our way would affect us, we just sent it back where it came from.

 

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Hi Kathy, Yanique and THE NET TEAM members.

 

It is very important that each of you let these pains all out into

the open so darkness maybe brought to light. Many of your

current interactions will be quickly forgotten with the passing of

time. Time obsures details and after 12 years leaving the stair

farm the staute of legal limitation has been reached.

 

 

Of course the leaders of these communities feel that their better

homes are part of the double honor given to the ministry heads,

also the leaders bring in sinners who they hope to win over just

as Jesus would do, hanging out in the bar.

 

The leaders say they feel this is a wise action keeping friends of

those outside as a way of shining a light to them. Of course gifts

and favors are part of their friendship and I can understand that

position.

 

Another position the leaders hold to is "if someone gives

something to the ministry it will not be refunded" or will not

replace it. I realize that the people give everything from extra

shoes to entire bank account and most of this stuff gets used up.

 

The sugar eating and GMO is a strugle to keep out of our diets.

 

I know that many of the people leaving the farms did not know

what they were getting themselves into and are later tormented

by the excessive domination and micromanagement tactics.

 

It becomes impossible for them and the leaders can always find

others who want into their farm.

 

All I am saying is that there is another side to this discussion

and any of the leaders are welcome to give their side. These

points I have mentioned are just a few of how the people living

at these farms veiw the leaders interactions with worldly men.

 

Some men need a tax write off and any ministry can provide

these statements while some want to see the place.

 

I know most of the communities have double honor for the

leader they call it with half the membership upset about it.

 

 

I personally feel that the leaders use tithes and offerings

messages plus the "give all" command to gain substances.

What they are to do with what is given to their ministry is found

in scripture. Tithing is taught as a command just as the "give all"

order is.

 

The Tithing command was for the LEVITICAL preisthood not for the Christians era.

 

To me this shows who and want they serve. ALL churches.

 

NAME:: Kathy Smith

 Sub:: Dowell

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Good Day everyone, I pray all is well with you and your families. I haven't disappeared but have taken my coming out about Pastor Dowell aka Jim Jones via Youtube. Sister Yanique and I have spoken via messaging and we 100% believe her Bro Mike :-) Dear Leader Dowell is now a FULL BLOWN CULT LEADER! He bashes his own "saints", calling them names, intimidating and berating them every service, smh! It's a shame. I too have gotten calls and messages from those who are LOOKING for there friends and family who just cut themselves off from them after becoming involved with Dear Leader Dowell and from those who have also left but are either still sitting on the fence with Dowell or have already left QUIETLY (out of fear, I'm sure).


Like I have stated before to others, we (my husband and I and who ever else dares to show their faces) have NO fear of MAN, we fear the Most High, God Almighty, Amen?


Dowell cares about NO ONE but himself! How do we know this, look at HOW he lives and WHAT he does. Here's some examples:


1. HE lives in a BRICK home, nice hardwood floors and bathrooms and kitchen like your typical Hampton Inn, while everyone else, even HIS OWN PARENTS AND BROTHER included (minus one, I'll talk about that another time) live in OLD RUN DOWN TRAILERS (one even has a peice of tarp covering half of the roof with a few blocks over it to hold it in place). This is a man who with the help of several of the brothers there put up a pavillion from the ground up within a 2 WEEK PERIOD!!! For a community that was started over 18 years ago, he couldn't have had EVERYONE in a brick home by now? Oh, oops I forgot, he doesn't have to live in a trailer or use that bathhouse (that does need some work)the REST of the SLAVES have to SHARE!


2. He says in so many words that WE must separate ourselves from ALL of those who do not receive the truth, INCLUDING FRIENDS AND FAMILY! But yet he yokes up with quite a few people (not all of them do this) who drink, smoke weeds and tweeds, live dirty, DON'T BELEIVE, are NOT ISRAEL, and/or are just plain old CARNAL. Know why? Because these people DO FAVORS and BUY him stuff, expensive toys even! They save him alot of money via his News Letters, blogtalks and online-church website. Heck even his Sabbath service video set up is helped out in a HUGE way by these guys, smh!! I remember when I told him (back when I was still part of his "fold") that my husband and I when to my husbands family reunion, the first he asked was, "why"?!! Of course like dutiful slave, I told him to spread the word, then he's like, "oh"!! WTH is that?!


3. He plays his blogtalks and sabbath services on loud speakers through out the commune, even in the BATHHOUSE, DINING HALL and SCHOOL HOUSE, ALLLLL DAY! Can you say, "mind controlling tactic"?!


4. Dear Leader Dowell's wife, CONTROLS what they (the residents at the commune) are allowed to eat, she makes up the menu by the month! They cannot have any sweets, raw sugar is treated like GOLD there! The children there (mainly teens) HIDE snacks out on the land, they took my son to where they hide their stash (we bought homemade organic rice crispy treats for the children there). I remember last year at GOTS, I made about 500 cookies for everybody (sister carol was PISSED and rolled her eyes at me when I put them out, I didn't think she was joking)and you should have seen how one of the GROWN brothers there (a resident) was even eating the tiny CRUMBS left in the pan, NO I AM NOT KIDDING OR BEING FUNNY !! I didn't see it as funny, just a damn shame!! Also, I remember during our 1st visit to straitway (march of '12) that I asked one of the sisters there for sugar for my toddler's oatmeal. This sister went and spoke to the other sisters (wispered and looked at me) then she came back out of the kitchen, went into their STORAGE room and came out with a TINY cup of raw sugar, she carried it like her life was in danger, REALLY?! Eating well CAN be promoted WITHOUT the use of CONTROL! But, this is a cult so not surprising I guess.....


5. Dear Leader Dowell BRAGS about how they eat there at Straitway. How everything is ORGANIC and GMO FREE! I have seen there storage room (lots of GMO food), they also eat some GMO foods and have NO problem with serving CHEAP and out of Date food at there gatherings (Passovers, Gots, etc) because it's free or for pennies on the dollar via one of Dowell's carnal do boys! WE eat better than they do (only about 5% GMO, maybe).


Anyway, I can and WILL say alot more and feel free to repost my vids here, you have my permission sir :-)


Here's a likn to my last one I did telling all that Dear Leader has NO POWER, a Demon cannot cast out Demons!


http://youtu.be/pmeEU0fwye8
my handle name is skaismith on Youtube


Hope and pray this helps anyone who is seeking to break free and God is everlasting and will continue to show them the way, Halleluyah! Bless you all,


Kathy Smith

 

 

 

Power to the people

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2 Chronicals 10:15 

So the king hearkened not unto the people: for the cause was of God, that the LORD might perform his word, which he spake by the hand of Ahijah the Shilonite to Jeroboam the son of Nebat.

16  And when all Israel saw that the king would not hearken unto them, the people answered the king, saying, What portion have we in David? and we have none inheritance in the son of Jesse: every man to your tents, O Israel: and now, David, see to thine own house. So all Israel went to their tents.

17  But as for the children of Israel that dwelt in the cities of Judah, Rehoboam reigned over them.
18  Then king Rehoboam sent Hadoram that was over the tribute (money); and the children of Israel stoned him with stones, that he died. But king Rehoboam made speed to get him up to his chariot, to flee to Jerusalem.

19  And Israel rebelled against the house of David unto this day.




 

NAME:: Bro Mike

FROM:: Easy Pickens

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Hi again Yanique

I just reread your letter, it is so real today as it has been for me

since 1993.

 

Good girl stand by your easy going man.

 

Hats off to you my fair lady.

 

It is the people like you who make THE NET TEAM an

important page on the internet. God loves you for your courage.

 

 

So many have left Dowell and they are "afraid" to share.

I get phones calls and letters but none of them are stable

enough to shine their light in this dark world. They just don't

think God can protect them.

 

 

You are my hero Yanique, and the Lords witness against

those who claim to be Christians. If you only knew everything

about these ministries that are or were connected to stair, you

would know, that the leader has all of the power and this is

against the word.

 

You are young and maybe you can recover what was stolen

someday and is a small price to pay to be in the school of hard

knocks.

 

On the other hand what was stolen could cost Charles

Dowell  his soul, so God uses HIS sweethearts as easy prey so

the wolf has someone to  bulley and steal from.

 

Charles, you need to give that back.

 

We know the way the leaders are, we all lived there.

 

Looking back many have asked God why?

 

I just gave you the answer. They are without excuse now.

 

Trust me it won't be the last time that these men feel free to

take from others who seem easy to get it away from.

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Yanique Letter

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Hello Yanique

I received these parts out of order and tried my best to get it right. Please send future copies directly to mrowland55@embarqmail.com or to my wife Tammy at tamrowland@embarqmail.com these email addresses can also be found at www.thenetteam.net if you lose these addresses.

 

Great work on expressing your honest evaluation. You and I are to judge righteous judgment. Excellent. You are very sharp, I like your details. You are one or very few sisters who can actually write down the feeling we all get on these farm/dictatorships.

 

Please for your sake and for those who can not write keep us informed as other events surface in your heart.

 

 

Thanks for sharing. When we look at scripture we find that your writing is cold drink of water for those with Jesus living in them.

Mark 9:41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

 

Michael Rowland at www.thenetteam.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok where do I start. I was doing some food preparation search on youtube in April of 2011, and came across this person saying they r a pastor and showing how to seal a mylar bag with storable food. I checked out some more videos and they were interesting, especially because it was a pastor doing preparations. So i showed my husband some of the videos and he was interested, and for about 3 weeks, kept saying we need to go and visit and see what this was all about. We live in East Tennessee, so it took us about 21/2hrs.-3hrs to get there. We finally made the trip on Saturday April 29th and arrived at 11am for service, it was down a little road off the beaten path called pumpkin town lane. We got there and parked our car in the gravel drive adjacent to the church, then we walked up to the first set of doors and realized we had to remove our shoes, then we opened the other set of doors leading in the hall of the church, where u can use the bathroom, get some water, sit in a couch, or congregate with the other members. We met some of them, but just said hi because service had almost started and people were on their knees, some whaling, some praying and some crying, and this was new for me so i just took it all in. Then we went to one of the rows of chairs and got on our knees and prayed some, then sat on my chair, then Doug(the call him elder) came and told me i have to be on my knees, so i complied since i didn't know what was going on and this was my first time. As we waited there for about 20-25 mns a pounding of the ground started to come up the hall way, so i peeked underneath my hand and saw a foot with black socks and some colorful pants. Then i heard something being put on a table, then the tapping on a mike, like checking it to make sure it worked. Then the voice started praying, then we were told that we can stand and great one another. Of course everyone came over and met us and welcomed us, and they were very nice. All the women and girls wore long dresses and covered their heads, I saw this on the videos on Youtube so, out of respect for them and their place I did the same. But there was one family there that stood out, it was a mother (cindy), husband(ed) daughter(misty)and her 2 children, they were dressed differently, especially the daughter and mother, the daughter wore what they would call dress of the world meaning (shirts were too tight, and skirts weren't plain enough and they both just wore a scarf wrapped around the perimeter of their heads, and never covering their hair, like the women that lived there on the compound. They lived off the compound in a big beautiful brick home with a pool and 25 acres and a garage where the husband ran his mechanic shop out of, it's a beautiful place, and had all the comforts of the world including television.

Anyways after service that morning we congregated in the hall, drank water and met everyone there and they spoke to us and welcomed us and asked us a bunch of questions, they all seemed nice, and the children loved me and i loved them and played with them. Then after being there for a while, dowell came out to the hall with his wife and they greeted us, for me there was just such an uneasy feeling, as if he was undressing me with his eyes, or(sizing me up) and in his eyes it looks like he was planning on what to do with me. Then i talked myself out of that because as we were taught , that it was the devil trying to get bad thoughts in my head, so i ignored it and went on, because my husband was having a good time and listening to all the people and talking with the other guys. So after we got done talking we were told we could come down to the dining hall and have lunch with them, so we got in our car, and that's when we got to go on the land where they live. We entered the gate and saw the first home on our so right it was tan or yellow block home, then directly across was a metal trailer, then down the gravel road on the right a green house and left another trailer, then next to that trailer a work shop, and more trailers and a basketball court leading to the dining hall. When we got inside the women were in the kitchen preparing the food while the men sat around and the children played. We got to sit at the table with dowell and his wife and that white family, that I talked about earlier. I felt awkward because i know the other people were looking at us and i feel as if they were no longer special and now we were getting all the attention, that's just how I felt . Anyways that's when we started getting told about the bible, and my husband asked about wearing of jewelry, and dowell told him to turn to a scripture and read where i think one of the apostle told the people to take off all their jewelry, and dowell told me to look around and c that none of the women were wearing earrings, so I quickly took mine out so not to stand out and seem defiant, and not embarrass my husband, because women r to listen to their husbands. That's fine I do listen when I don't know what I'm talking about or when it comes to his department and make decisions with my husband, but I do have a brain too i can think for myself. The day went on and we went down to dowell's house, it is the block one as we entered the property on the right. Went inside and it was beautiful, just like the (world's house) as he calls it, 3bdrms, 1 used as an office 2bths, the one by the front door is a guess bath, and it was as if u were in a hotel, clean and decorated, it was hot so the AC was going, there was a flat screen in the living room (but he says he doesn't use it) a couch a love seat and a recliner. We all sat down and talked about ourselves, and of course they told us about themselves. It was dowell his wife carrol, cindy, misty, ed, tyler(that's their son). I took a liking to them because they didn't seem so docile, and empty like the rest of the of the people and they actually held a conversation without letting u know u were of the world and how u needed to change. The daughter i thought was very rebellious for their standards so i was surprised they let her be there, but i like it, i felt like i had someone to relate to and she was my age. They would talk back to dowell and cindy and carrol had a relationship like sisters and that they didn't have with the other people that lived on the compound or not that I saw. We went home late that night like many nights to come leaving there around 12 and 1 in the morning, and trying to drive home, but eventually had to stop at some rest stops to get sleep and then drive the rest of the way when we woke up, i hated doing that and told my husband, but he just always got caught talking or doing something there, and i told him it's not good to stay so late and try to drive home.


Maybe 2 months after going there, my husband decided to bring his truck (deuce and ½ military truck down, his .50 caliber gun, night vision, all the ammo for the .50 cal and a bunch more military stuff). He was previously in the Marine Corps and got out in 2009. I asked him why we were doing this and he said he just wanted to show dowell that he was preparing, and have them use the deuce since it was just sitting at our property and we only took it out to shows etc. So I drove our car behind him and he got all dressed up (helmet and all) just being funny, and we drove the 3 hrs. down there, but it took a little longer w/ the deuce b/c u can only go so fast. And I was so tired, b/c I worked the night before, and he really wanted to go down there and arrive on time that we left earlier than normal. I was sleeping behind the wheel and didn't notice until the car went off to the side of the road where it's jagged so the car started vibrating, and that's what woke me up. I really wanted to keep going and not rain on my husbands happiness, but I eventually told him that we had to stop, b/c I couldn't stay awake. I felt so bad b/c I always want my husband to depend on me that I can do what he ask me so he can be proud, and I love when he praised me. Anyway we slept and woke up in time to make it there for service. Then after we ate and the whole community went for a ride in the truck, dowell drove and my husband was the A driver, telling dowell how to operate the truck, and I can tell he was happy. I stayed, then they came back and everyone was happy and so was the kids, one of the little boys told his brother that dowell went off to war and I thought that was so cute b/c his facial expression was as if he couldn't believe it. Then before we left of course we were at dowels house again and that's when almost everyone was there, especially all the guys b/c they were there to check the .50 cal out, and my husband was there just explaining to them. They got to shoot it and enjoyed it like I did when I first shot it (only once). My husband told me he never meant to let his gun stay there it was just so they could experience shooting it, but as he was showing and explaining it to them dowell blurted out "ARE U GIVING THIS BROTHER", infront of all the other guys, putting pressure on my husband to show if he was all in. I remembering him signing over the title to dowell, and I asked him why he did that, and he said since they were building and was moving materials, that if they wanted to take it off the property, they could get insurance and on it and he wouldn't be responsible if something happened, and he said that it was staying in the family so that eased me and I was fine, b/c the understanding was that we would get it back eventually. It's what we use for camping and the season hadn't started yet so we didn't need to bring it home yet.

 

So dowell likes to talk and make videos that my husband gave him the truck which is a lie, he just coveted it and it fit in with all his militancy, so he didn't wanna give it back. I would have not drove it down if my husband told me he was gonna give it away, b/c it was also mine. My husband went back and tried explaining to him that we had miscommunications and that he was at fault, even though a week or so before dowell himself was councelling me and my husband about communication and that it was one of the reasons for divorce. Then on the other hand he says it's the man's decision. We all know for a fact that's not true, b/c if he decided to do this community carol had to make the decision to go along with him, so they both had to decide, it wasn't just him, b/c I didn't c a ball and chain on her when I was there.

 

I remember one time in the dining hall when I first got there or maybe it was the second time, I tried to go in the kitchen and see what help I could offer the women, and they made me feel so worthless, like I was no good and never set foot in a kitchen before b/c I was a woman of the world. The only one that acknowledge me was the 15 yr. old Sky, she gave me something to do and told me I could take some stuff out the fridge, and bring them out and she even showed me where to put it on the table. I wanted to help but I can tell I wasn't welcomed. I told one of the girls there(Ashley) why I didn't go help anymore b/c when I tried no one made me welcomed, and she said that some of the women that was their only job and they didn't want to feel like u were taking their job, and I was fine with that. Also there was another time when dowell was talking with granny gaston (that's what they called her) by the fridge at the entrance of the kitchen, and I was sitting at the table in the center of the dining hall next to the door leading outside, talking to 1 of the guys (ashley's) husband, and I noticed dowell kept looking my way, then he finally yelled out my name saying come here, all bossy. So I went over there and he said to clean the counter and help in the kitchen, and I didn't want a repeat of what happened before, but I did it anyway, b/c my husband wasn't around and I didn't know where he was. I never liked going down to dowels house, b/c we always got stuck there, and end up leaving too late.


We stayed one service Saturday and stayed Sunday also in the little house they have up front, by the church house. He offered it to my husband when my husband told him he was going to stay in a hotel so he could come back in the morning, so he told him no, that we need to help each other out. So we stayed there, and the night before he said breakfast was at 10 (I think) but I woke up and wasn't feeling well. So I told my husband that I wasn't going and that I would be there later, so he went on, and later of course dowell made me know that that was unacceptable and that he wasn't happy, I didn't show up for breakfast (sorry but I don't decide when I'm not gonna feel well). Anyways we went home and I was browsing around and saw a video called "Home Training" (made by dowell) and I just knew he was talking to me, so I watched it, and he went on and on, that if you told him (dowell) what time breakfast was at your house and he just showed up when he wanted to how would you feel? And of course I was upset b/c I didn't c the big deal, b/c I was sick and that's one less mouth to feed.


These were just some of the things that made not wanna be there. One morning after service, I was in the church talking with Ashley, Sky, and some of the little children were there and we were laughing and talking and have a good time. And Ashley said to me that we should go out here to the hall because "WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE HEARD IN THE PRESENCE OF MEN" and of course I was speechless. Me I'm a very happy person, and I smile a lot, so I felt very suffocated there, and my happiness was slowly being stifled out of me, and I became very miserable. The women and dowell always let me know that I was of the world and always offering advice on how to become more like them.

That family that lived off the compound invited us to their property and we went over a couple of time, and they showed us around. But most of the time we went with them was b/c my husband was deciding to move down there, and was looking around to buy a place, and they would show us around. I was never into moving there, b/c we were building our home here and I didn't want to sell it like they always told us, b/c I love our place and didn't want or have the money to buy and build another. They were telling us that when the SHTF we didn't want to be far away, we needed to be close so that we could have help if things went to hell, and of course my husband thought that sounded great. So eventually he moved all our preparations down there to their house and put it in their crawl space under their house, and made dowell hold all of our money in his safe, even though we had our own, and I told him I don't think that's right b/c we haven't known these people but a couple of months and people change, but he didn't listen, and moved all our stuff, I was so heartbroken b/c I felt like he listen to them and make decisions with them and left me out of the picture. But I love my husband and I was gonna stay by him and not let these people take advantage of him, b/c he has a very giving heart and is very trusting. At this time he was going thru a lot and needed me, and they knew this and try to take advantage of him.


He was always calling someone out in the dining hall that was his other pulpit outside of the church. He would always tell us horror stories of people that used to attend church there, and how bad their doing now that they stop attending, and his favorite ending was that "ONCE U LEAVE THIS PLACE THE NEXT STOP FOR U WAS THE LAKE OF FIRE" of course first hearing this scared me. He once said that here (talking about me) was this little black Jamaican women with a big attitude and here's (this white man) my husband that can't tame me, and I was mad b/c he didn't know us to be saying that, but I began to realise Yanique like he told my husband that u have to break someone down then build them up, that this was all that was, trying to break me, but it only made me upset.


The turning point for me was when he (dowell ) said as we were sitting in the dining hall. Me and my husband was sitting on his left at Juan and his (dowells ) brother table, and Randall and his wife (kaylani I think that's how u spell her name) on his right, and he was on another one of his rants, and he was talking about that family that lived off the property. I'm gonna quote him " Not because you, this if for ya'll 2, not because you see us associate with some of the people that come here that don't live here, mean we agree with them. They are hypocrites because they dress a certain way when they are out in the world and when they come here they dress a different way, and he didn't approve of that and we shouldn't think that they agree with that because they come here, if they can't live the community life now, then how r they gonna do it if the SHTF, an and that they weren't allowed in, and they would be stopped at the gate". And I couldn't believe it b/c here these people were planning to go there when things went bad, and he's telling us that they weren't allowed in b/c they haven't lived holy or his way (community life). This was the family that invited me to go swimming with them at their private pool at their home off the compound, and I wanted to, but I was told that, I couldn't be in a bathing suit, b/c earlier my husband had asked him "what about women and bathing suits" He told my husband that I should wear one and that Israelites don't go to beaches, but if we could find a private beach where no one could c me then that was ok, but he didn't approve of going to beaches. So when we went over to their house, the mother cindy ask me if I was gonna go swimming and I told her what I was told, and then, she started getting upset and told me that she was not going over to straitway anymore, b/c not too long ago his(dowell) daughter was at their house in a one piece swimming in their pool, and she was so upset that she started crying saying, she didn't like the fact that they cared how she dressed b/c she was in her own home. She was doing the dishes and cleaning her kitchen, and I told her that I don't want her to be upset and not go there anymore b/c I didn't want to cause any conflict between them, I just told her why I wasn't gonna go swimming, b/c my husband was told by dowell that I should be wearing a bathing suit, plus her husband was there and her son came and went, and I didn't want any of the people from the compound come over unannounced and then report back to dowell what was going on, then of course the rebuking in the dining hall would be next, so I never went swimming even though I wanted to.

 

 

So even though dowell likes to make videos and tell everyone the reason why I left was because I couldn't wear a bathing suit was a COMPLETE LIE, and he knows it, because he didn't wanna address any of the real issues why we left.
Also what made me start to turn away, was b/c my husband was now making decisions with dowell and I felt as if they were married and not me and him, and I definitely didn't want this man making any decisions for my life, b/c me and my husband got this far without him. My husband started staying later and later, running around changing water heaters, going to home depot and picking up supplies, spending money that we needed to finish building our home, and completely leaving me out of the picture, and when I tried talking to him, and let him know how I felt he just told me he had to do it.

 

So one service I didn't go with him, but I baked a cake and send it with him, b/c I just wasn't into being bashed another service and the drive was too long, but it was like he was controlled and couldn't say no and stay home with his wife even though I asked him not to go. I kept this from everyone until I couldn't anymore, then I started to do some research about dowell, because he always says to check him out, b/c the only thing you'll find out about him was that "he was in the airforce for 10 yrs. And married to his wife for 25 yrs. And he may have gotten one speeding ticket). I tried and didn't find much, but one day I finally told the builder of our house a good friend that told me he would talk to my husband, b/c he didn't want him to go astray. He met my husband at our local mcdonald's one night, and gave him that article from dowell being interviewed by jim searcy. You can find this at the wild world of religion, dowell says " If u don't have spiritually discerment there's no way, NO WAY , u can be a leader of a spiritual community, it's just not possible.
He told us that god told him to start this community, but in his interviewed he said R.G. Stair (his mentor, last day prophet) told him to start the community. I continued and found out more about this and read the testimonies and the similarities of these two and many of the other communities that was started under stair were too much, so when my husband came home I showed him what I found. He took a look at it and didn't really say anything, b/c they were telling him that I had the spirit of jezebel and that he has to try hard to fight it. So he went back the next service and I found out more things, and showed him some of the testimonies, and he became uneasy with the Eric Pfund testimony, because it happened at straitway, so he didn't go back the next service b/c he started checking out himself what was coming to the surface and started back on building the house. I got in contact with Eric Pfund and he and my husband talked, b/c my husband said he didn't want to make a decision until he heard what both sides had to say. My husband did ask dowell about stair and dowels words were, that it was NONE OF HIS BUSINESS, but since he was a brother here (I know that meant since he was giving all) then he would talk to him about it. All he said was that he was associated with him and then left. Now that's explanation enough dowell thought. So my husband hadn't gone there for 2 weeks b/c he was starting to do his own research and the drive was too long and he wanted a break and save on some gas, and dowell himself said if it's too much to drive then my husband could come maybe every other week and save on gas because he know it wasn't cheap. So one day my husband called dowell after he came home from building our house, and he sat in his red dodge, with some questions he had for dowell, and they talked for an hour. I went outside and realized who he was talking to, so I went back inside and got on the computer, then something told me to check out what was going on or what he had to say since my husband missed 2 services and low and behold there is the video just for us titled (JUDGEMENT AND TRUTH) and boy did he let us have it, but he was on the phone outside with my husband telling him to not go to the world, he is to go to the saints, but he sure went to the world (youtube) and told everyone how evil we were. So I went outside and told my husband that he wasn't to say anything yet b/c he had to watch this video that (dowell) made an hour ago. So he came and watched the video, and he decided that he needed to stay away and think. He finally decided not to go anymore, but watched via the online church and saw dowell calling every name there was, and that he had to cut a brother off. They shut my husband out anyway, b/c he stayed with me, b/c the last time he went there before he left which was late at night maybe 12, he said he went to knock on dowells door, and no one open it, and he knew that they were inside, b/c the lights were on and it was so late, and someone or carol always answered the door, so he knew he was avoiding him.


On the deuce and ½ I asked my husband if he was gonna get those back and he tried, and dowell told him the only way he was getting it back was if he brought "ALL THE COPS IN THE WORLD, THE FBI, AND THE CIA, AND LIED and said HE DIDN'T GIVE IT TO HIM. That's the exact reason I told him to get our stuff back b/c I know he wasn't gonna because he coveted them. I really wanted them back, but I knew we were never getting them back, wanted (dowell) to give that answer to uncloak him so my husband could see who he really is. Since we were building it took us a while to get our preparations back from that place where we put it, and they called us anyway saying they wanted it from out of there place since we weren't gonna be there anymore and I wanted it back just as bad as they wanted it out. My husband and one of his friends rented a U-HAUL and they both went down and removed all our things without any of their help, even though they stood there and watched, saying things like a bad weather was coming thru, hoping that it would rain on us, but the lord held the rain off, until they got the last item in the u-haul, then and only then did it start to sprinkle then rained. They tried to talk to my husband and his friend, but it was late and then my husband's friend told them they had to leave b/c they had a long drive home. dowell really is stair.




For everyone looking to follow this man, Please visit these sites: the netteam. net, the WILD WORLD OF RELIGION, dowellisstair.webs.com and many more. Or just google false prophet dowell.






 

NAME:: Josh

 Sub:: Presbyterian Church

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

 I guess we're far past all the UPC dance and Christmas videos but I can't help that something doesn't seem right here.


First of all, in one of the Christmas videos it says that it's the "Freedom Plains United Presbyterian Church", which, as you all know, is not Pentecostal.


Second, in any state that I've been in, in any UPCI church that I've been in, the Pentecostals have an uncanny unity in dress; even style of glasses, hairstyles, clothing styles, conscious or unconscious mannerisms are nearly identical.  Women who have been part of the church for a while and are participating "on the platform" wear dresses.  Period.  Pastors who don't believe women need to wear dresses eventually leave the UPCI.  I can say with 100% certainty, none of these videos are from the UPCI.

This is a lot closer to what you should expect at a UPCI.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiAOxNc4ab0

 

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Pentecostal

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRvoSt8sIRY

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLtHUPn58k4

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q0QDZvuzcc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Money

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

According to scripture the legal system has done violence to the

LAW. The Law that I am talking about recorded in the Bible is

the Law of God, not the current system Laws.

 

Matt 6:2  Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a

trumpet (ralph saying he is THE VOICE)  before thee, as the

hypocrites do in the synagogues andin the streets, that they

may have glory of men. Verily I sayunto you, They have their

reward

 

.

 

5  And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites

are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the

corners of the streets, that they may be seen (ralph weeping

fony covering up his true nature) of men.

Verily I  say unto you, They have their reward.

 

 

 

16  Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad

countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may

appear (ralphs claim for 25 years he was and old penniless old

clothes poor preacher) unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you,

They have their reward.

 

 

 

Matt 23:13  But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees,

hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men:

for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are

entering to go in.

 

 

 

14  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye

devour widows' houses (ralph stealing from Dolly and Sister

Walker and so many more), and for a pretence make long

prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

 

 

 

15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye

compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is

made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell (Those

remaining with ralph after knowing the judgement of God)

than yourselves.

 

25  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye

make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within

they are full of extortion (trickery used to gain unlawful

entry) and excess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Thomas belford

 Sub:: Money!

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

Ralph's power and longevity "his GOD".

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Huckster stair

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

You see the supreme court ruled against the people for money

stating that the people and the overcomer cHurch will have to

work it out separate from the state.

 

 

 

The State made a statement like this

 

 

 

"If the people got infatuated with this prophet and gave their money to him and later wanted it back is no concern of the State."

 

 

 

The court is well aware of what they consider to be our mental instability for thinking the return of Jesus could be near.

 

 

People willing to give up all based on what some leader says is

the end times are putting themselves into a category by average

folks of a deceived or at least deluted person.

 

 

 

Of course ralph is well aware of the legal aspect of sheep being

fleeced and how defenseless to protect their rights they become.

 

 

 

According to the state the acts were considered detestiable,

while they stood by and did nothing. The courts did get alot of

money out of ralph during all of these proceedings and this

made quite an impact on the shortwave listeners.

 

 

 

Yes ralph stair is well within his legal rights to continue on the

way he always has especially if more folks give him more

money to wiggle out of his next jam if need be.

 

 

 

The only problem ralph has is that he is facing eternal

destruction after having lived a long and very unrepentant

life and of course is completely unaware of it.

 

 

 

Remorse would require ralph to return what he has stolen for

openers and ralph is very proud.

 

 

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub::  Sexy Ralph

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

Oh yeah without conscience ole ralph will nail down a sister on

his way to worldwide service where he has alway declared

 

 

 

"This is the voice of the last day prophet of God to mankind

worldwide "The Kindom of Heaven is at Hand"

 

 

Like Benny Hinn R G stair learned to make the big from David epley http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Epley

 

 

The big me false doctrine of preacher creature worship is all that is out here today. To prove that statement test the spirits to see it they are of God.

 

Numeral uno: Does the Preacher You think is of God work full time like Paul and give tot he poor when needed or is it the other way around?

 

 

Numeral two: Or does your stinky so called pastor sit around on his lying false doctrinal statment with his hand out?

 

 

Paul speaking

 

2 Cor 12:14  Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you;

and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but

you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the

parents for the children.

 

 

 

See Paul had the care of all of the Churches that were mostly

underground and yet he worked as a tentmaker.

 

 

 

Acts 18:3  And because he(Paul) was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought (worked) : for by their occupation (Job) they were tentmakers.


 

 

It's not just ralph who is sitting around collecting practicing

extramarital sex, using drugs and taking in big money all in

Jesus name.

 

 

 

Any Preacher man going against scripture

WILL be corupted. It is only a matter of time and the reports

come

 

rralph has lived his entire life falling into one sin after another with the young ladies at his farm as he goes right on drawing in more fish to fillet.

 

1 Sam 2:21  .....................................And the child Samuel grew before the LORD.

 

22  Now Eli was very old, and heard all that his sons did unto all

Israel; and how they lay with the women that assembled at the

door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

 

 

This is the same story recorded in scripture

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: William

 Sub:: Logan, Utah

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

Yesterday night I heard RG Stair ranting on the shortwave.

 

 

 

Have not heard him in several Years.

 

 

 

Seems he's still up to his old tricks of long ago promoting

himself as a 'prophet' one moment and a current events news

and information commentator the next in between pre-recorded

pleas for money an calling people liars and stupid.

 

 

 

How can anyone listen to this shyster he's so transparent all he

wants is their money and permission to tell them what to say,

think and do while he says "do as I say but NOT as I do!" in so

many words. I thought this con-artist was long gone. Guess not.

Same old stuff different day.

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: cHuRch Leaders

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

Matt 22:14  For many are called, but few are chosen.

 

15  Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might

entangle him in his talk.

 

Matt 16:12  Then understood they how that he bade them not

beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the

Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

 

Matt 16:7  And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is

because we have taken no bread.


 

 

Matt 21:45  And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard

his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

 

46  But when they sought to lay hands on him, ........................................

 

 

Matt 22:35  Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a

question, tempting him, and saying,

 

 

 

Matt 23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!

for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when

he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than

yourselves.

 

 

 

24  Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a

camel.

 

 

27  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are

like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful

outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all

uncleanness.

 

 

 

28  Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but

within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

 

29  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because

ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres

of the righteous,.............................

 

 

Mark 3:6  And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took

counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy

him.

 

 

7  But Jesus withdrew himself with his disciples to the sea: ....................................

 

 

Luke 5:21  And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason,

saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies?

 

 

 

Luke 5:30  But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his

disciples, ........................................................................

 

 

 

Luke 6:7  And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether

he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an

accusation against him.

 

 

 

Luke 11:43  Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the

uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets.






 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: "Christ"-ians Only

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

John 10:38  But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the

works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me,

and I in him.

 

 

39  Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out

of their hand,

 

 

Matt 8:34  And, behold, the whole city came out to meet Jesus:

and when they saw him, they besought him that he would

depart out of their coasts.

 

 

Matt 10:14  And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your

words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the

dust of your feet.

 

 

Matt 25:41  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, ]

Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for

the devil and his angels:

Mark 1:45  But he went out, and began to publish it much, and

to blaze abroad the matter, insomuch that Jesus could no more

openly enter into the city, but was without in desert places: and

they came to him from every quarter.

 

 

John 6:66  From that time many of his disciples went back, and

walked no more with him.

 

 

John 11:53  Then from that day forth they took counsel together

for to put him to death.

 

54  Jesus therefore walked no more openly..............................

 

 

Matt 26:56.........................................................Then all the

disciples forsook him, and fled.

 

 

Matt 6:2 ..................................... as the hypocrites do in the

synagogues and in the streets,

 

 

 

Matt 15:7  Ye hypocrites...........................................................

 

8  This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and

honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

 

 

9  But in vain they do worship me,

 

 

 

Luke 4:16................................................. he went into the

synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

 

 

 

Mark 6:2  And when the sabbath day was come, he began to

teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, ...............................................................

 

 

 

20  And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister,

and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the

synagogue were fastened on him.

 

 

 

Luke 4:21  And he began to say unto them, This day is this

scripture fulfilled in your ears.

 

 

 

Luke 4:28  And all they in the synagogue, when they heard

these things, were filled with wrath,

 

 

29  And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto

the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might

cast him down headlong.

 

 

30  But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

 

 

John 15:18  If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me

before it hated you............................

 

 

 


 

 

 

NAME:: Fayetteville

 Sub:: Sister Yanique

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

Concerning Sister Yanique I have been looking to hear the rest

her testimony and it was abruplty ended, did they get scared

again?

 

 

I know Dear Leader of Tenn was threatening to sue

them, etc. Has anyone done a well check on them at all?

 

 

 

NAME:: Steve

 Sub:: UPC

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

Yeah that's the way most churches have apostated to.

Not only UPC

Look that them pastors in the video sitting on the stage


They look like they've been castrated.


I mean they have no spiritual balls


There's a word for that in the Bible I think. Hirelings?

 

 

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Upc Dance Video

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

 

Now referring to the dance video at the UPC gospel party for teens. These people watch hollywood MTV almost everyday.

 

I know because in the 80's I watched it and for 25 years I have

cut off the blapper box. This media device is the weapon on

choice to destroy the minds of the youth right under our noses.

 

 

 

A steady stream of worldly gyration, rap,rock,bop with words

being hidden til the song is embeded into their minds.

 

 

Unless the outside contact with the worldly government forced

schools is forsaken, along with the boob tube, people who are

aspiring Christians will end up as one of the three seeds fallen

by the wayside.

 

 

A Christian can not maintain fellowship with good and evil at

the same time. Breaking away from the unending forms such as

HOLIDAYS that are not holy leaves little time left.

 

 

Jesus said that these traditions make void the commands

 

 

 

The command is to love the self existant one with all of our

being, so mixing that with the imagery of the MTV media is

conflicting for our youth.

 

 

 

Parents have little understanding of what I am talking about and

by the time they finally wake up it is to late to reach their loved

ones that needed an example.

 

 

Let's take my Jordy Boy sitting over here. He comes across

video's on youtube and he asks me what is wrong about it and I

tell him of each thing that violated God's word.

 

 

He knows that men wearing long hair is wrong not to mention

that he things it's discussing anyway. Do you thing the UPC

teens are told?

 

 

What they are told it is wrong with words and keep right on

watching it and going along with it. Teen boys grow long hair.

 

 

The point is that it is not a big deal to the UPC if they watch

cable TV.

 

 

Big mistake, Big mistake.

 

 

 

Even Jordy (9Yrs) is light years ahead of most preachers living today.

 

 

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Josh

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

Wow Josh No contest you are obviously a man of experience

and wisdom. Hats off to someone who has paid full price for his

gold. A woman needs to be gentley loved by their man so they

can gain more confidence. Like you say most of them make

up because they don't like their natural beauty. 

 

These are not damning isses as you have pointed out.

 

 

 

NAME:: Josh

 Sub:: Conscience

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

 

 First, I have to agree that makeup can't be prohibited

scripturally.  But there are some women who have believed it is

wrong for a long time.  Were they to transgress what they

believed to be wrong, their consciences would be defiled.  I

don't condemn them and, hopefully, in time they will not

condemn those who have liberty.


 

 

In 1997, the youth of the church I attended went on a mission

trip to India.  It was the sort of church that didn't have any

standards in particular.  However, during our time working over

there, none of the girls wore makeup.  When "church time"

came on Sunday morning, that was the time for them to primp. 

 

 

 

My initial reaction was that they looked like a bunch of clowns. 

Now, that isn't the kind of thing I would think nowadays but the

point is this 17 year old boy had become accustomed to each of

their natural beauty.


 

 

Women are prone to self-esteem issues so if they need the

makeup, that's fine.  But in most cases, they don't need it and

they need to know that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Josh

 Sub:: UPC

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

 As far as women wearing pants in the UPC during or after a

service, it does happen.  This is what happens when this "law"

isn't in these individuals' hearts.  But it is not a practice that is

encouraged or condoned in the leadership.  Usually (but not

always) women who wear pants in the UPC are new converts.


 

 

I don't think that sort of dancing shown in the videos posted is a

common occurrence in the UPC.  Most pastors maintain a

"platform standard" that prevents whatever that was.

 

 

 

NAME:: Bro Mike 

Sub:: Sunday Dress

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

UPC DANCING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeuPqb7sLuk

 

 

Dresses are optional, only on "Sunday go ta meetin" time

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: UPC XMAS

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKzq3X18UW0

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUFkoe-fB6o

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME::Bro Mike

 Sub:: UPC

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

The UPC is not the CHURCH of Jesus, they have a wooden

structure and the true Church is not made with hands. I know

they say these very word while saying also Christians better

come and pay in or they are not any of Christ's.

 

 

Their multitude of lying doc's like forced faulse tithing paying is

a good starting point to see who they really serve. This refers to

the heads of the organization.

 

 

The sheep are there for fellowship and don't know much about

doctrinal brands when they come.

 

 

 

The cHurch made of wood permits women to cut their hair and

wear pants, shorts, encourages XMAS, EASTER, 

HALLOWEEN, VALINTINES DAY,  ST PATTIES DAY,

THANKS GIVING SLAUGHTER DAY and so on.

 

 

 

These days are all promoted as Godly as if there were some

kind of scriptural referrence for them to keep the people

coming.

 

 

Tithe is paid in dollars and not in food items to continue the

levitical preisthood functions according to the UPC.

 

 

ALL OF THE WOODEN CHURCHES DROVE JESUS OUT!!

 

 

Later Christian only met house to house to stay alive.

 

 

Same today, if you want to be alive spiritually, a Christian must

keep away from the lies brain washed into the various brands of

religion sheople.

 

 

 

Some of the women I see without make up in those

organizations look like truck drivers. They wear boots and jeans

like a man, no make up, hair shorter than mine.

 

 

 

The gays flock to these places and you will never know it.

 

Especially the gay woman playing the male part in her

relationship with another girl. The other girl playing her partner

will find a more fitting cHurch to help HER blend in with the

way she looks at God. Maybe a cHurch that promotes dress

wearing but short hair is okay.

 

 

 

Give me a name of a preacher and I can show what these

maistream false prophets have said and how they are called liars

by God himself.

 

 

Jesus was forsaken and driven out of the braodway cHurches.

 

 

The narrow way is where 2or 3 are gathered in Jesus name.

 

 

Your mainstream cHurch promotes multimillions to be saved.

 

 

This is a lie. Few there be that find it.

 

 

According to the UPC they are the few. Yet when they all meet

in the market place each one knows that the other only wears

their dresses for the few minutes in services as they all wear

pants any other time.

 

 

The common defense starts out with doing gardening work,

riding a horse and so on.

 

 

 

Then the hair issue of cutting is all relative to who it is. Hair is

cut regularly to mid-lengths and not considered wrong, yet the

whole tradition is hypocritically enforced as if it a mark of

Holiness.

 

Oh - well if the gays come in with short hair who knows

right, they are heathens and nobody knows who they are

anyway right? The preach has to be careful to except them in to

win them while they never intend to hear the word of God.

 

 

 

Year after year of folks with heathenistic views, the preacher

never saying much against it and the saints fellowshipping with

them after cHurch.

 

 

 

We are all human and if you take away one thing from a

beginning Christian that you think will shelter them from evil,

they will find some other way of expressing their ungodly

desires.

 

 

 

Once the inside gets informed as to who God is and repents the outside follows.

 

 

 

NAME:: Steve

 Sub:: UPC Traditions

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

 

 Traditions are not of themselves bad.


 2 Thessalonians 2:15   Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.


2 Thessalonians 3:6   Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.


The UPC's stance on makeup-


"Since the primary effect of makeup is to highlight sex appeal, we reject makeup as immodest1."


We are not to ridicule them for their common sense stance on this issue.


Any more than I would ridicule some of the old line Menonite Churches which separate women on one side and women on the other. Is this commanded in the Bible? No. Is it a good tradition? Perhaps. And perhaps there is a good reason for it.


You see not everything is clear black and white. Some of it requires discernment.

When I see a woman come into a church with caked on makeup and decked out like the world everything within me says that's not of God...

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: My fair one

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

Who's the whore in this Bible passage? I thought Christians

were to be more prim and proper?

 

 

 

Song 5:5:1  I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse: I

have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my

honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my wine with my

milk: eat, O friends; drink, yea, drink abundantly, O beloved.

 

 

 

2  I sleep, but my heart waketh: it is the voice of my beloved

that knocketh, saying, Open to me, my sister, my love, my dove,

my undefiled: for my head is filled with dew, and my locks with

the drops of the night.

 

 

 

3  I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on? I have washed

my feet; how shall I defile them?

 

 

 

4  My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my

bowels were moved for him.

 

 

5  I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with

myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the

handles of the lock.

 

 

You want me to pull up the rest of these would be sacrilegious

quotes that are so graphic?

 

 

Face up, most people do not know what God is like.

 

 

Confusion of faces is what we have today.

 

 

I want HIS face, not some good work formula.

 

 

I have been a wicked man and seen many things and I can tell

you what saves and damns the soul.

 

 

 

Demons rule the world we live in using the majority of the

people as their hands and feet with religion no exception.

 

 

 

Continue like you are Steve, striving. At least you are fervent to

know which way is right and are not afraid to open your mouth

to share what got into your heart.

 

 

 

Guard your heart is the command, but something will always get

in that should not be there to test our levels of arrogance as

men.

 

 

 

All of us males are wired up the same way.

 

 

 

However after you have grown older in the Lord as I have you

learn that most of what you thought you knew was based on the

learning you got from teachers who had other agenda than truth.


 

This is the normal beginners lazy way to learn everything the

hard way.  God's way of teaching us we need no other teacher

than the spirit. It will lead and guide you when you are directed

into the beer garden to have one and talk to sinners.

 

 

Say that to Herbert and he would have some more trash to

dump on his religious prisoners.

 

 

Even the very elect are under pressure to receive false doc's and

potentially be deceived.

 

 

 

The heat is on. I know more now after 40 years as an aspiring

minister that I still have much more to go to get everything right

in scripture.

 

 

Still learning and sharing what I can with you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Need a Preacher

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

The idea that Jez and other figures from scripture are why

Christians don't use makeup because these

are worldly girls is the non thinkers view.

 

 

For instance some of these passages say the woman dresses up

and others say they sat on a couch and or bed.

 

 

Or they fixed their hair and so on, fixing is bad then right?

 

 

So the assumption for using the Bible where it states "love not

the world things" means to them or should that they can not

have a Mcdonalds happy meal because the world loves them.

 

 

The world loves steak and eggs for breakfast just like me, so am I lost and need to repeat?

 

 

No all of these THINGS God has given can be used right or wrong it is about the inside(Our Hearts)

 

 

The UPC and Armstrong taught women were dirty if they looked nice.

 

 

Ralph follows Herbert.

 

 

Herbert was mainstream cHurchianity.

 

 

 

Those forms will not save your soul, look away from them.

Jesus walked right into the bar and ordered a drink. Jesus was

looking inside their hearts knowing they would get cleaned up

on their own over time.

 

 

Okay one more.

Jez looked out the window right?

 

 

Looking out the window must be a sin then if thiese scriptures

are to be follwed in their purest sense.

 

 

The point is that all of these doctrines are based on faulty

reasoning, putting everyone who does not obey that group at

risk of damnation.

 

 

 

One group rides their hobby horse on the way you may have

been baptisted.

 

 

 

Another group focuses on their verson of the holy ghost where

they all shutter on the floor slang in some kind of spirit.

 

 

This is why God has given us Preacher who are not mainstream.

 

 

Like me steve, I hate the mainstream lies and yet on the other hand I love you enough to reach out to you to help you gain a greater understanding.

 

 

 

Exactly where I was you are is where I was 40years ago

growing up in the 1960's Baptist cHurch. They even said

dancing was a sin, while the Pastor was using the young ladies

when he could. Well he did that 7 years later after the cHurch

was formed and built.

 

 

 

The scripture also says not to put holes in your flesh by printing

tattoo marks after making gashes.

 

 

The printed marks found in your defense referr to the practices

of the heathen where they gashed their flesh to they could add

paint print or color.

 

 

 

So again fauly reasoning and THUS the need for a non

mainstream Preacher WHO IS NOT OUT TO BUILD

NUMBERS TO RAKE IN DOLLARS.

 

 

 

Girls primping in another subject or looking out windows ect.

 

 

NAME:: SDA Ruling

 Sub:: UPC Ideas

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

- See more at: http://www.whyileft.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about/what-does-the-bible-say-about-wearing-make-up/#sthash.OQJg2W1r.dpuf

 

 

UPC                                                SDA Doctrines as well

 

 

Unitied Pentecostal Church

 

 

Conclusion:

 

 

You see, this is the problem with UPC theology: It’s a house of

cards. The UPC has made the claim that they and their affiliates

are the only ones who possess Truth. But what happens when

they find out that something they taught as Truth was wrong? It

throws everything else into question! If they can be wrong on

one point then they can be wrong on other points as well.

 

 

 

 

I believe that this is what is happening with make-up. The UPC

has been backed into a corner. More and more people are

seeing that there is absolutely nothing wrong with wearing

make-up. There’s no Scriptural basis for not wearing it, and

there’s no logical reason for not wearing it. Now the UPC is

forced to defend a doctrine that makes no sense, because if they

back off this doctrine then it might cause their members to

doubt other doctrines as well.

 

 

 

This is why I believe that the Bible should be the ultimate rule

of authority. If I find that I’ve misunderstood something in the

Bible then I have no problem changing my beliefs. I don’t claim

to have a monopoly on Truth. I claim that Jesus is the only way

to God, not any one Christian denomination!

 

 

 

Folks, God doesn’t care whether or not you wear make-up! If

He cared then He would have put it in the Bible! If you are a

woman who feels that God does not want you wearing make-up

then that is between you and Him, but God never gave any

organization the right to dictate a doctrine that has no Scriptural

basis as being necessary for salvation!

 

UPC SDA Doctrines as well

 

 

Unitied Pentecostal Church

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Pediphile Prostitute

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

Yes Steve

 

That is wrong. It is in the same class as women wearing pants

that are pulled up to the moon in a wedgie or crack. The

purpose for jeans is to attract men at a glance.

 

Women who wear pants are wearing mens clothing and girls

taught to wear black eye liner paint 1 inch thick are being

taught the standard whore makeup used for centuries.

 

 

There is no right way to teach children whoredom. Whores cut

their hair in Bible times and took special drugs to enlarge their

already big eyes.

 

This was known by the men looking so they didn't talk to the

wrong girl and become entangled with the law.

 

 

There are many other signs connected with prostitution that

are meant to advertise their services in exchange for money.

 

 

The link you gave of children being MADE UP with looks of an

older woman who is a hooker when they are 5 years is wicked.

 

 

These teachings come from the controlling elite who are

grooming children to fit their clientele. These people are busily

engaged in sex magic to gain power serving their gOd lucifer.

 

Any one with the spirit of God knows when they see those little

children that they are being instructed by demonic spirits

coming from there parents.

 

 

 

Proverbs 7:10  And, behold, there met him a woman with the

attire of an harlot, and subtle of heart.

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Steve

 Sub:: Tots TV programming

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

we can talk about this till we're blue in the face

 

Child whores http://www.google.com/search?q=child+beauty+pageants&biw=1600&bih=761&tbm=isch


Painted up by momma to be a "beauty queen"


Too young. Too soon.


Child whores

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Brother Mike

 Sub:: Beautiful Bad Girl

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

Now continuing on with our discussion concerning a woman

beautifying herself with broidered work, silver, Gold,  you name

it, all of the finest a girl could have that even the heathen took

notice of.

 

Here it looks like God permits nice things on a girl because

HE specifically puts it ALL on her saying that She is a beauty.

 

In the New Testament is says that the hidden man of the heart

is not on the external as many would have us think. Paul was

drawing an analogy or a comparison.

 

 

The comparison was that competing sisters getting all dolled up

was a haughty practice and did not reflect the meek and lowly

heart of the Spirit of Jesus.

 

 

So again what we have that God has given us is being tested

daily to see if we are using our gifts in a Godly fashion

 

 

Men are the dominate ones, strong and handsome while a

woman is soft, submissive and gorgeous, both species can not

change what God has done.

 

 

The purpose of this life is to see who will properly use their

gifts to honor God and not love and exercise the devices very

oppressive natural forces that lead to creature worship.

 

 

God gave us a lustful beast nature with all of it's potential charm

and magnetism to give us time to use our gifts of our own

freewill to worship God with.

 

 

There must be the wrong way open to each of us to make this

test. Removing jewels and gold and fine clothing does not

produce a purity for the hidden man of the heart.

 

 

Somehow men have it in their heads that if they make their

woman go round with plain faces and no beatiful ornaments that

this will keep their hearts pure before God.

 

 

If the hidden man of the heart of a woman becomes pleasing to God it will be when she has an example from her husband long enough to catch onto the process. This will take both of them a lifetime.

 

 

Have fun rejoice and give the glory to God.

 

 

 

Ezek16:15  But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

 

 

16  And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

 

 

17  Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,

 

 

18  And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.

 

 

19  My meat also which I gave thee, fine flour, and oil, and honey, wherewith I fed thee, thou hast even set it before them for a sweet savour: and thus it was, saith the Lord GOD.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Brother Mike

 Sub:: Good Girl Gone Bad

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

Here we read of God's best given to HIS bride and later she

took all of these gifts and used them to serve the devil but the

gifts and calling are not evil nor removed by the giver.

 

 

Ezek 16:8  Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee,

behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt

over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee,

and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and

thou becamest mine.

 

 

9  Then washed I thee with water; yea, I thoroughly washed

away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

 

10  I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with

badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I

covered thee with silk.

 

11  I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon

thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

 

12  And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine

ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

 

 

13  Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment

was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat

fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding

beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

 

 

14  And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy

beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had

put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub::  Willingly Obstinate

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

Hi Josh

 

Great answer. I tell my smallest one (A bouncing baby girl)

when we are at walmart the same thing.

 

She is real little and one day wanted to use the ladies room.

 

Naturally she thought I should take her once again and when we

stopped at the entrance I said "Go ahead and I will wait"

 

She was 3-4 years at the time and looking up went into the

proper door.

 

Isn't it strange that a small child can find the right door

concerning these matters but the defiant religious community

refuses to come in at the right door?

 

There I go again preaching the message of the door.

 

Thanks Josh you are right about the images that are so clear.

 

These are universal images that are used worldwide.

 

They are standards handed down for millenia, yet barely

a woman today is wearing one.

 

Do a head count sometime.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Josh

 Sub:: Pertains To

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

 I heard a pastor once say that on the door of most public restrooms is either an image of a man or the image of a woman.   Everyone knows which image pertains to the Men and which image pertains to the Women.  You don't need words.


I thought that was an interesting way of looking at it.

 

 

NAME:: Brother Mike

 Sub:: Dear Ishmael

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

 THE NET TEAM does not agree with your version of abuse

of power. In fact this is the same abusive power that males seem

to think is Godly that caused the formation of this site.

 

A special thanks to my loving wife Tammy. She had this site up

before I left the stair farm where this abusive behavor reigns

supreme.

 

We sure are not going to permit the same abusive attitude

without putting it in check.

 

Most men feel like Steve does so I am going to let them post

their way of looking at this discussion.

 

Many men focus on the jealousy doctrine

 

Number 5:14  And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:

 

See the doctrine also was given to save a poor girl who's

husbands were always insanely jealous without a cause, but you

will never here that part of God's instructions addressed.

 

 

These types of men spent their entire lives thinking their wives

are cheating and the Old Testament law was designed to not

only save the woman from her husband, but also was given to

permit a man time to acknowledge their inability to control

themselves from unwarranted murdering spirits that had control

of them.

 

In this way a man could deal with the embarassment of his false

accusations when the woman was found innocent. He has this

lifetime to get right and no more.

 

 

Again this side of the coin is never spoken about and was most

often the case when men were out of their heads with thoughts

whorish behavor on the part of their wives.

 

God made the Law to deal with men first.

 

 

Very rarely do women go outside their vows as men have

assumed. This assumption is generally based out of a man's way

of looking at things and women were not made like men.

 

 

Men assume others are tempted the same as they are in all

situations. 

 

 

God has given us a wonderful Law and is a great kindness if

followed.

 

 

It should seem strange that the flip side of this jealousy doctrine

has never crossed most mens minds, but it just goes right over

their heads and all they see is that if a man gets jealous that

must mean it is time for her to die a sinners death.

 

 

Nothing could be farther from the truth.

 

Course truth is fallen in the streets.

 

And finding a real man is almost impossible.

 

A real man is a man who is not void of judgment.

 

God is a God of judgment.

 

God hates religous forms in exchange for good judgment.

 

Religious self righteous singing is a stink to HIM.

 

 

These ideas that women are pure evil if they pretty up are

nothing more than a self righteous witch hunt.

 

 

It comes right out of the belly of Hell like all other demons we

face today.

 

We face one religious crusade after another in our time.

 

Nation against Nation.

 

King against King, man against man, divide the camp and sack

the booty and the devil is cleaning up in this war against God's

standards.

 

Evil is now good and good is now evil.

 

Lucifer has been given power to overcome and wear out the

saints prevailing against the standard of Holiness.

 

What clothing should a man not wear that pertains to a woman

and would be considered an abomination?


 

 

 

NAME:: Ishmael

 Sub:: She Beasts

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

You are right steve a man has to keep them she-dogs beaten

down into position or else why have a man around?

You are my main man.

Keep them she beasts where they belong on their knees praying

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Brother Mike

 Sub:: Off Topic Again

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

Like I said this is a fair question but not on topic.

The Topic is what clothing would a man wear that would

pertain to a woman that would qualify him to be an

abomination in the sight of God?

 

Further what clothing would a woman wear that pertains to a

man that would qualify as abominable to God?

 

Yes the people of God wore ear rings and all kinds of jewelry

through out history. Rice powder for instance has always been

used by women for face powder. Jewelry was in the camp and

was not considered evil.

 

The first thing God did to get Rebecca to wife for the Israelite

male Isaac was to offer jewelry. Here is the quote again off

topic, so you lying men are griding the faces of your poor

wives telling them those lies

 

Gen 24:22  And it came to pass, as the camels had done drinking, that the man took a golden earring of half a shekel weight, and two bracelets for her hands of ten shekels weight of gold;

 

 

23  And said, Whose daughter art thou? tell me, I pray thee: is there room in thy father's house for us to lodge in?

 

30  And it came to pass, when he saw the earring and bracelets upon his sister's hands,

.........................................................................and I put the earring upon her face, and the bracelets upon her hands.

 

 

 

Again we can talk about why God let disease kill little children

but this is off topic.

 

The reason why men will not answer one question at a time and

tend to jump around, is based out of the conditioning of the false

cHurches.

 

It is a stumbling block.

 

It should be obvious by now why the answer has not been

freely given and why the question has been completely

ignored.

 

Well to me it is clear.

 

The reason men will not and can not answer this question is

because they refuse.

 

I will address all of the other question of virgin girls and

primping at another time. Primping is okay girls as long as you

are not forgetting God in the process.

 

That is how simple the answer is.

 

Now answer my question.

 

What clothing is God talking about? What clothing is

abominable for men and what is considered bad clothing

for a women?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Steve

 Sub:: dumb dog

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

 What a fool you are. You reject the Word of God.


1 Timothy 2:9   In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;


Shame is the opposite of pride. Pride is when you are proud. Proud of your face.


2 Kings 9:30   And when Jehu was come to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it; and she painted her face, and tired her head, and looked out at a window.


You're a dumb dog Mike Rowland and you need to repent

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub::  Spiritual Blindness

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

Okay the word retard is the same thought as brutish, recorded

in scripture. It is an insult to intelligence, is also another

sneaking way of saying the same thing.

 

Scripture uses the term "Blind Dogs" same thing.

 

The subject is clothing pertaining to men

The subject is clothing pertaining to a woman.

 

All other subject interjections after being warned at the opening

stage of this study shows brutish or bull dogging tendencies.

 

This is the same as being hard headed or a dingbat in more

modern terms. Stay on subject.

 

 

The subject once again is

CLOTHING pertaining to men and women.

 

 

That is not to say that all other questions should not be

addressed.

 

 

Every other question can and will be answered in turn.

 

 

We can not jump all around like spiritual grasshoppers and

resolve somethings pertaining to each answer.

 

As a for instance, someone will say they think God is a loving

God and the next person will say

 

"then why does He let people die of diseases"???

 

 

 Then the next person will say they think

 "He is the bad God."

 

 

The the next person will say they think God Loves gays.

 

 

Then the next person will say God does not hate.

 

 

On and On we go jumping all around.

 

 

I know it is hard to answer one simple question when you have

had so many questions all of your lives that seem conflicting.

 

 

Since you have gotten little for an answer in the short time of

your study of your that requires a lifetime, you want all of the

answers quick.

 

 

Heathen practices and seduction, and other questions please

hold till this subject has been covered.

 

 

A woman is a man's responsibily and so what the man says she

can wear or should or should not wear fits into the confines of

this review.

 

Finally when God said that a man should not wear clothing

pertaining to a woman, what did He mean? What clothing

specifically was God referring to? And so on.

 

Further when God said that a woman should not wear clothing

pertaining to a man, what did He mean? What clothing was God

referring to?

 

Now that we know the focus of the study, answers off of the

wall so to speak, would be considered evasive.

 

Answers like

1. A woman is a whore if she wears purple and scarlet.

2. Woman is easy prey for the devil like in the garden.

 

These are typical answers that have nothing to do with the

study. Please try to focus.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Retarted Spirits

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

God Loves and promotes the use of jewelry, ornaments, and all kinds of pretty things for the outside of our bodies.

 

You have to be a spiritual retard to fight these words  found in

 

Scripture. Some say a woman can wear her pants as long as she

 

does not use makeup, jewels, bracelets ECT........

 

Same ole blind dogs barking the exact opposite of the Scripture.

 

God Himself excepts and uses these adorning methods.

 

Read It and put your hand up over your mouth.

 

Stop believing the lies taught by denomination.

 

God has made a woman to NEED to be lovely and has given

 

her all of these things to pretty her up.

 

Men going around forbidding a woman to pretty up against

 

God's word is the mark of a spiritual fool.

 

The fool says no to God's written word.

 

Now here is some of it.

 

 

Exodus 35:21  And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the LORD'S offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy garments.

 

 

22  And they came, both men and women, as many as were willing hearted, and brought bracelets, and earrings, and rings, and tablets, all jewels of gold: and every man that offered offered an offering of gold unto the LORD.

 

 

Num: 31:50  We have therefore brought an oblation for the LORD, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our souls before the LORD.

 

 

51  And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of them, even all wrought jewels.

 

 

52  And all the gold of the offering that they offered up to the LORD, of the captains of thousands, and of the captains of hundreds, was sixteen thousand seven hundred and fifty shekels.

 

 

 

Song   9  I have compared thee, O my love, to a company of horses in Pharaoh's chariots.
10  Thy cheeks are comely with rows of jewels, thy neck with chains of gold.
11  We will make thee borders of gold with studs of silver.

 

 

 

Isa 61:......................................as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

 

 

 

Jer 2:32  Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.

 

 

 

Est 2:..................................................... according to the manner of the women, (for so were the days of their purifications accomplished, to wit, six months with oil of myrrh, and six months with sweet odours, and with other things for the purifying of the women;)

 

 

17  And the king loved Esther above all the women, and she obtained grace and favour in his sight more than all the virgins; so that he set the royal crown upon her head,

 

 

Gen 24:22  And it came to pass, as the camels had done drinking, that the man took a golden earring of half a shekel weight, and two bracelets for her hands of ten shekels weight of gold;

 

 

23  And said, Whose daughter art thou? tell me, I pray thee: is there room in thy father's house for us to lodge in?

 

30  And it came to pass, when he saw the earring and bracelets upon his sister's hands,

.........................................................................and I put the earring upon her face, and the bracelets upon her hands.
48  And I bowed down my head, and worshipped the LORD, and blessed the LORD God of my master Abraham,

 

Ezek 16:9  Then washed I thee with water; yea, I thoroughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

 

 

10  I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.

 

 

 

11  I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

 

 

 

12  And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

 

 

 

13  Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

 

 

 

14  And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Picture posts

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

For those of you rabbling in confusion go back and read what

 

I had posted right from the start about changing the subject

 

and having A HARD time figuring out what Bro Mike is talking

 

About.

 

It is simple. It goes like this.

 

You are a cowardly male who hates good judgement and

 

want to show your righteousness.

 

Go to your cHurch and show everyone YOUR righteousness

 

because that is all modern cHurch does.

 

I will not take a bunch of conflicting answers from people who

 

are well practiced in changing the truth into a lie.

 

IN YOUR FACE PHOTO'S of the way the world is and has

 

been. What is so shocking about these common realities?

 

It all has to do with hiding from the light when you see all

 

these things and will not enter into judgement against it.

 

LOOK AT THE PHOTO's

 

And then you so called men who SAY you love God don't care

 

what people in you families wear.

 

Again any man who runs away from this light is a fool.

 

I will post only comments that relate to the present

 

discussion. Comments made outside of this study will be

 

ignored so you boys wanting to divide and conquer this expose'

 

will have to go practice your manipulation on another forum.

 

I do not expect many intelligent answers.

 

The way I see it the people living today are void of

 

what God's ways are like.

 

We had one sister talk about how she wears a dress now and

 

has long hair and these are qualifying statements within the

 

study.

 

Some of you need to read what has been stated before you talk

 

out of turn to spout off things that do not apply to the study.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: 1960 changes

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

.First the dress code women have followed for centuries.

 

 

 

 

Very beautiful and discrete as Scripture states a Holy woman is.

 

 

Next is the evolution in the 1960's

 

 

This is a picture from STAR TREK

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The plan was to degrade a woman getting the teens to go almost nude and

then later put a pair of pants on them to cover their nakedness.

 

This of course seemed better.

 

 

 

 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Seeing God Clearly

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

Hello Group

I need to say that as far back as I can remember my family

watched shows from the 50's when I was 5 or 6 years of age.

My earilest memory was me standinging in what seemed like a 4

foot toy box Grandpa had made me that was really only 18" tall

when I was around 2-3 years of age.

 

 

Living in a cold northern climate near the boarder of Canada

there were more days in the 60's than any other temperature.

 

 

The reason I point it out was that at age 3-5 years the average

room temp for many days through the cold winters was in the

60's at our house and this made a mouse that came into my

room very slugish.

 

 

Some days I tried to pet the mouse as a toddler.

 

 

Well one day I actually was able to pick it up and hold it in my

hand and was all excited till it bit almost the entire end of my

finger off.

 

 

The point is that "I remember" those eariler days.

 

 

Now onto the rest of the story. Next was the living room with

the TV. That thing was huge and had an almost round screen.

 

 

Same when I went to gandma's house, so I do remember also

that it was black and white only.

 

 

Here are a few shows we watched that I remember well because

it was a time of laughter and sharing fun with the family.

 

 

"Laugh in" was one.

"The Red Skeleton show"

"Flip Wilson"

 

 

All of these shows were your everyday run of the mill trash,

where many loose Lawless ideas were incubated.

 

 

Here are a few pictures from what would later be in color.

 

 

The gener benders were on the rise so the first thing men who

were gay did was put on the womans dresses that was presented

as a joke but was foolishly a real stradegy by the forces of evil.

 

 

The picture above is Flip Wilson dresses up as a man for

no aparent reason. Here are a few more.

 

 

 

Naturally as a boy I thought it was funny because all of the

kinfolks were cackling like hens.

 

Deut 22:5  The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, ......................................................................................neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

 

 

NAME::

 Sub::

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Okay here we see the Television show "MASH" also had

what people are now calling a transgender male.

 

 

In light of this Scripture why is it that these are the only people

today who know that a woman or girl should wear a dress

because it has always been clothing that women have worn?

 

 

Deut 22:5  The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, ......................................................................................neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

 

Below are some pictures of "KLINGER" from the old show

"Mash" wearing the 50's style teen dresses.

 

This idea of getting "OUT" of the armed services was the plot

in MASH for Klingers reason for wearing the dress.

 

Now after 40+ years these gays want to be in the military and

keep the dress.

 

Below is what a woman looks like today in the 21st century.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

NAME::

 Sub::

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Deut 22:5  The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, ......................................................................................neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

NAME:: Alex Jones

 Sub:: Drone Strikes

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

American Drone Strikes Coming soon


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5eD2PW2ks4

 

Thanks Steve for the great video heads up!!

 

 

 

 


 

NAME:: Steve

 Sub:: Pope Apostle?

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

This Pope doesn't know the Scriptures neither the Power of God.


Of course he can't judge.


he's not even saved

 

 

Revelation 2:2   I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience,


and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which


say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

 

 

 

There are many people saying many things out here.

 

 

 


Orientation Speaking to reporters on a flight back from Brazil, he reaffirmed the


Roman Catholic Church's position that homosexual acts were sinful, but homosexual


orientation was not.

 

 


Romans 1:31   Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection,


implacable, unmerciful:

 

 

Natural affection is the orientation. Natural affection is what God has created.


A desire in man to be with a woman and woman to be with a man.

 

 

 

Homosexual affection is the opposite.

 

 


Romans 1:27   And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,


burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly,


and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

 

 

 


This is satan's doing. satan says, You see God what I made them do?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

NAME::

 Sub:: Worldly Boy

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Okay look at this passage and know that we as the people of

God in this wilderness are losing the war against sin, with many

losing their souls.

 

Below is the scriptures showing the same repeat war for God's

people. The war they fought was a physical one yet the same

results.

 

 

At the end of this passage it states that the mighty men who

were skilled in war had lose the battle. This was due to the fact

that they served the wrong God's of self.

 

Todaythere are very few real men left as only mothers are left

in the home these days with so many people separating.

 

 

One sure sign that we are at war and losing is the fact that they

beautiful daughters were stripped of those ornaments.

 

 

We are at war spiritually not physically.

 

 

Therefore the daughters of Zion are being stripped of their

attire first in the spirit and then they took their clothes off and

put on bikini's.

 

 

Do you hard heads understand? Do you?

 

 

We are at war and losing. The first thing a mighty man NEEDS

HE NEEDS to fight for a righteous cause and he will always be

there to save those beauties.

 

 

I ask you, "What beauty is there left"?

 

 

If your beauty does not line up with the beauty of the hidden

man of the heart, it is not beauty.

 

 

I am speaking of what GOD calls beauty.

 

 

God has shown us his word here in Isaiah for our generation as

most are losing the war against ungodliness slipping into eternal

damnation.

 

 

Just like all of the daughters were stripped bare in that physical

war so are the women of this time.

 

 

These are signs that men are not real men and that women rule

them, they are not mighty men of war.

 

 

Let us put the blaim where it belongs and that being on the men.

 

God calls men forth to answer to him, not their women.

 

Again most males living today have been taught it is a 50/50

love relationship between a man and a women, with men

staying home while the woman brings home the meat and

potato's.

 

 

I do not expect men like this to understand me at all.

 

 

We are seeing the beautiful attire of our girls being stripped off

of them in this spiritual war so that their minds can not allow

them to put on the wonderful womenly array that a woman has

been associated with since the beginning of time.

 

 

Instead they go as naked as possible, with jean's showing all of

her contour and detail in a worldly competitive war.

The men sit by and do nothing. They are not mighty men.

 

 

They are worldly boy's and are reaping it.

 

 

 

Isa 3:14  The LORD will enter into judgment with the ancients of his people,

and the princes thereof................................................

 

 

15  What mean ye that ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor?

saith the Lord GOD of hosts.

 

 

 

16  Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty,

and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as

they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:

 

 

 

17  Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the

daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.

 

 


18  In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments

about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,

 

 

 

19  The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,

20  The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands,

and the tablets, and the earrings,

 

 

 

21  The rings, and nose jewels,

 

 


22  The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples,

and the crisping pins,

 

 

 

23  The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the veils.

 

 

 

24  And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink;

and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead

of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.

 

 

 

25  Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mighty in the war.

 

 

 

26  And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she being desolate shall

sit upon the ground.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

NAME:: Brother Mike

 Sub:: Sent One's

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

Here is the Command to an Apostle.

Apostle means "SENT ONE'S "

 

 

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

 

 

This is why people who go out to build Churches 501c3 get voted in call themselves APOSTLES.

 

They claim God sent them and sent one's are APOSTLE'S.

 

The Word APOSTLE "means" "means" Hello? Means

 

"SENT ONE'S"

 

Now-a-days every blowjoe and his brother "SAYS" they are sent of GOD. They clain God told them to take up tithes and give it to the poor or whatever they clain God sent them to do.

 

Scripture says, THE BIBLES SAYS GO!!!

 

We are all sent. Are All Apostles? No!!!

 


 

NAME:: Steve

FROM:: Pope says

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

Sign Here::

 

Pope says "Who am I to judge?" on gay clergy


The Word of God says


1 Corinthians 2:15   But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.


  1 Corinthians 6:3   Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?


  1 Corinthians 6:9   Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (homosexuals)


1 Corinthians 6:10   Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.



NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Killing Peace

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYANzOUluwc

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFocBvx_4kA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Drink in Peace

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

India drink cow pee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgU9I3M_uAw

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: India Peace

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

Drinking from human skulls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEpJdHS1pV0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Hindu Magic

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

Here is the way Hinduism advertises to day

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68DZO7sbIwg

 

Black Magic is a Magic that is performed for the benefit of self or the wholemass. Black Magic or in Hindu (Hinduism) also known as Kaala Jaadu and the process are known as Jaadu Tona or Tona Totka.

The Black Magic is a Magic with no colors, it is not some kind of magic that is appreciated, but it is an extreme part of Astrology, just like Vashikaran it is used mainly for Good Luck , Life , to attract love , to get back love by Black Magic .

Black Magic , is also used by some people for bad reasons , and people can do Black Magic over you , but their are other ways to detect the Black Magic Cure of Black Magic and the process of removing Black Magic is also true , Black Magic can also be reversed by Black Magic Specialist .

Black Magic Services-
Black Magic are the rituals that can be performed or explained correctly to you only by a true Black Magic Specialist . Pt. Vikas ji , is a well known Black Magic Specialist in Chandigarh , Delhi , Mumbai , Pune , Lucknow and all over India as well as world wide . He has always used Black Magic to help Mankind , he has also reversed the Black Magic and its effects over to the person who did it initially .

Black Magic done by Pt. Vikas ji , can only be cured by Pt. Vikas ji or his few students , who also practise them but under his guidance .
Vashikaran and Black Magic are extreme parts of Astrology , that are performed by a well known , vashikaran specialist , in such a way that it can be used in both reversible and irreversible directions .
Vashikaran is used popularly to attract someone , to attract suceess and good fortune . This is done by using Vashikaran Mantra and these Vashikaran Mantras are use to attract women or Vashikaran of a women , Vashikaran of Husband , Vashikaran of Wife , Soul mate , lover .
If you really desire for something very intensely , in that case Vashikaran Mantras and Vashikaarn Gadgets , Yantras , Objects can also be used , to attract love , girls , boy , men , wife , husband , fotune , success and even God .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Peace and saftey

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

Hi Parashuram

 

Thank you for your input we welcome you.

 

Our Holy Bible says this:

 

1 Thes 5:3  For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then

sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman

with child; and they shall not escape.

4  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should

overtake you as a thief.

5  Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day:

we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

 

It is our understanding that killing Christains who don't honor

 

the hindu gods is not peace. Walking on fire and throwing

 

children into the fires of molech is not peace to the GOD OF

 

THE BIBLE what we call THE ONE GOD.

 

I am writing this to ensure that you know our stand.

 

I know that you will say that this is untrue for today.

 

Don't make me show live video of your Hindu brothers killing

 

Christains.

The red horse is  communism with it's age old practices of forced worship or die the death.

 

So much for peace peace peace.

 

Revelation 6:4  And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

I for one will not argue and don't care to convert anyone who rebbels against THE ONE GOD and HIS heart.

 

There will be no arguement with HIM. And there is no arguement in the Church the BIBLE says it this way

"IF people want to be ingnorant then let them be ignorant"

To to ignorant simply mean to ignor the facts or commands

written from THE HAND OF THE ONE GOD.

HE is "THE SELF EXISTANT ONE"

"THE GREAT I AM"

When being asked by Moses "What is your name"???

GOD replied

"I AM that I AM"

 

further  THE SELF EXISTANT ONE says

Ther is no other God among the Nations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

NAME:: Parashuram

 Sub::  Peace Peace

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

 You Christians argue over every little point.


Tell me please, how is anybody supposed to be converted to your message?


We in India choose a more peaceful religion. A more peaceful way. The Hindu religion is a way of peace. Wecome

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Sub:: Kathy "Gal"

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

 

Hi Kathy

You get an A++ on everything you wrote.

Excellent.

 


 

NAME:: Kathy

 Sub:     Cold turkey

 SUBMITTED COMMENTS

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  As a woman I used to be a jeans and t-shirt kind of gal, LOL! BUT since coming to Yeshua, I went cold turkey about 1 1/2 yrs ago going no pants. However I do have a few pairs of jeans that I held onto for working out in the garden when messy jobs require my help or mid winter coldness hits. I do not wear them off of our property. Brother Mike I agree with the scriptures, it's God's word. You are very right that since the mid 50's it's been a steady stripping away of womens clothing (it fits right into the lusts of today).


As for womens hair, my husband and I did some more looking into "Head Coverings" and this is what we found:


1Co 11:5  But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.


1Co 11:6  For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.


1Co 11:13  Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?


1Co 11:14  Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?


 1Co 11:15  But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
 
1Co 11:16  But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.


So with this being said, I no longer see the NEED to wear any headcoverings like I did when we were part of Dear Leader's Israelite community. My hair is not "shaven" nor have I taken "shears" to it :-)


MANY Pastors and Teachers take certain scriptures OUT of context so that THEY may be able to have more CONTROL over THEIR flocks, you feel me? Like the Tithe (not the same as offering). Dear Leader USED to speak against it, NOW, you have bad things happening to you because you don't Tithe (or give HIM and offering regularly) at least that's how it comes across to us :-)


Anyway, just adding my 2 cents, Bless You :-)

NAME:: Bro Mike

 Teaching Priest

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Here is the way all women dressed since the beginning of time.

During the mid 1900's the bikini's came out and the miniskirts.

Now no one wears womens clothing like holy women of old.

My great grandma and grandma never wore pants. My mother

wore a dress all through the 50's with bustle.

They looked like women have always looked for thousands of

years.

 

Now here is the scripture and after that some pictures of the

way women have dressed throughout human history.

 


Deut 22:5  The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto


a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all


that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

 

If God does not care what we wear or how we look then these Scritures

can not apply to anyone in modern times.

 

 

Ester 5:5:1  Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her


royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king's house,

 

Here we see God angry with the daughter of Zion so God tell them he is going


to strip them from their beautiful ornaments. These are normal things women


have always worn throughout the history of the human race until now.


Look it all up, what each of these pieces of a womans attire are if you don't

already know.

Isa3:18  In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling


ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,


19  The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,


20  The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets,


and the earrings,


21  The rings, and nose jewels,


22  The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins,


23  The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the veils.

 

Through the use of media like TV a woman looks bad, wearing men trousers.


Pictures


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

NAME::  Bro Mike

FROM:: Teaching Priest

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Okay I am seeing that the people of God need to be taught some

things that they do not know. Naturally there will be some

things that folks did not know God said or meant. I feel it is

time for many of you to understand some of the expressions

recorded in  Scripture.

 

Long Hair is one issue but there are many more.

 

Take for example a woman who cuts her hair or wears a bikini

swimsuit in public.

 

Or we could just focus on men who wear womens clothing and

are quite effeminate having long hair.

 

We must start with one thing at a time and not jump all over like

a kangaroo. Many questions will arise but we must thoroughly

address one subject at a time.

 

Or what about Jesus wearing a dress looking thing?

 

Maybe Jesus was a metephor and really never physically

existed since many say there is little proof.

 

Or does Jesus(WHO IS GOD) really care if we keep HIS laws

anymore?

 

Which Laws should we keep?

 

Who should be the one to decide which of the TEN

COMMANDMENTS we should keep and which ones we could

safely discard.

 

How about SABBATH?

 

Is it okay to start a fire and why wasn't

it okay for God's people to start fires on that day?

 

Can I work and make good money on SABBATH as long as I

give it to the CHURCH?

 

Or is it Okay to keep that double and triple time money and not

feel quilty that I am violating  "God's Law"

 

These and many questions are normal average everyday

questions that the people of God ask themselves.

 

The term "premarital sex" is not in Scripture, anymore than the

term "Rapture" is found and yet the Bible addresses all of these

matters.

 

I am going to wait for your comments after each post.

 

Take this verse found in Scripture concerning long hair.


Ezek 44:20  Neither shall they shave their heads, nor suffer


their locks to grow long; they shall only poll their heads.

 

 


The question that should be asked is why did God tell the priests


to cut their hair but not to shave it off with a razor like a white


supremist neo nazi party member?

 

Is it okay for teenagers to shave their heads? Does God care?

 

The questions of why coming from each one of you can be

answered.

 

Is it Okay for me as a woman to wear pants as long as they as

womens pants?

 

Where in the Bible does it say a woman can not wear pants?

 

Where in the Scripture does it say a men can not wear high

heels or a skirt?

 

How about the Roman men wearing skirts?

 

While in Rome they tell me like a Roman, right?

 

Why did Roman men wear short hair while Jesus is

thought to have had long flowing hair down to the belt

on his robe?

 

 

 

 


 

NAME:: Bro Mike

FROM:: Save Us

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Isa 43:8  Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.

 


9  Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled:

who among them can declare this, and show us former things? let them bring forth

their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.

 


10  Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may

know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed,

neither shall there be after me.

 


11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

 


21  This people have I formed for myself; they shall show forth my praise.

 

22  But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob; but thou hast been weary of me, O Israel.

 

 

 

Psa 80:15  And the vineyard which thy right hand hath planted, and the branch that thou

    madest strong for thyself.

 


16  It is burned with fire, it is cut down: they perish at the rebuke of thy countenance.

 

 

17  Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest

   
    strong for thyself.

 


18  So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.

 

19  Turn us again, O LORD God of hosts, cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved.

 

 

 

Unless God does change our hearts we will be like we are now as a people,scattered.

 




 

NAME:: Steve

FROM:: No Prophet's

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It's no big deal It's no big deal to be called the son of man, Bro. Mike. We're all sons of men.


What was Kirk saying here? There's no special man. No special ministry.


We are all members of the same Body.


That's why we don't need prophets today. or Apostles.


We have all through the Word. The Bible (canonical book) is complete. We are complete in Him.


Can't add to it. Can't subtract from it.


Kirk was right on the money.

Long Hair

 

1 Corinthians 11:14   Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?


Notice here he says "nature" teaches. Not God. Not the Word of God. And it says it's a shame not a sin.

NAME:: Bro Mike

FROM:: American Jesus

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Call on your powerless Jesus to save you from the God of this world.

The American Jesus is a long hair sisy impotent worthless joke.

 

 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXkv_2bFUrY

 

Firewalking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw03VApviu0

 


Voodoo worldwide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c0Cri7TX5I

 

India's Benny Hinn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siMZq-swGO0

 

Murder of Christains

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXDpG9-Sc5A

 


Persecution of Christians in Japan


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBGdPOVMQ_E

 

Hindu Slaughter of Christians

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHfx3iJkJt8

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Prophet in the root meaning means to bubble over in the joy of

the Holy Ghost speaking and uttering the words of God most for

correction.

 

The Prophet's main duty was always correction to an immoral

People claiming to love God.

 

The difference between those who were doing right and those

SAYING and not doing right was always pointed out by a

Prophet and still is today.

 

The gift of the word of Prophesy and the word of knowledge or

word of wisdom can still operate in the office of a Prophet as

well.

 

A prophet ussually sat alone away from people and this was

largely due to the fact that the dreams and visions that a

Prophet got were to far out for most people to grasp.

 

Prophet's are not all like. Anymore than people are all alike.

 

Jesus was a Prophet in the new testament

John the baptist was

John wrote Revelation was and this is decades after Jesus had

assended back to God the Father.

 

Most people claiming to be Christains suffer nothing and do not

need a Prophet nor do they want one. They are fearful of the

operation of God's hand with the Gifts.

 

The American version of their gOd is the only culture that has

no power in the spirit to actually manifest something in the

natural.

 

The American Jesus is a neutered, spiritually impotent figure

head while Halloween devils night practices are foremost with

children using witchcraft without knowning it at an early age.

 

The parents are teaching lies as they were taught.

 

If you go to India they worship and walk on fire. Demon

possession is an honor to them. Demons have power to take

over their vessels in their ceremonies for short peroids.

 

They feel the presence of their GoD in Voodoo.

 

They don't call them demons, they call it the power of their God.

 

These cultures like China and India have had their religion

for uncounted generations well before Jesus time.

 

In those countries that prctice witchcraft their are some that 

have such power in the spirit to cast spells or a hex that anyone

caught doing it is arrested.

 

The practice of their religion using magic in honor to their God

is a world renowned fact, laws are in place to prosecute any

medium casting a hex on someone with the intent to damage

another persons body.

 

The operation of a medium is common place. They are fervent

in prayer to their God and deligent to bring the proper blood

sacrifices in order to gain favor in spiritual matters.

 

In those countries where Christains live I know beyond a doubt

that the Prophet office is needed.

 

The Prophet's are also called witnesses in Revelation. The final

show down will involve the Prophet ministry.

 

Revelation 11:for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

 

 

3  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

 

 

5  And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

 

6  These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

 

7  And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

 

 

8  And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,

 

9  And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

 

 

10  And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

 

 

11  And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

 

 

12  And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

 

 

Yes friends while the devil prepares his false Prophet, God is preparing HIS true Prophet's for the endtime showdown.

 

HE DON'T CHANGE.


 

 

 



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Okay let me say a few things here first Steve I know you and others have a different way of looking at religion and Church order than the next.

 

The Bible says that spirits roam the earth looking for a human host to inhabit, right?

 

Have we forgotten that God is a just God and wants balance of power and always raises up Judges against evil?

 

What do you think a Judge is?

 

When you SAY that you are a Judge (Most will say judge not) this means you are willing to cut off evil, that takes a tough cookie in the spirit.

 

If demons transfer from parents to children then the righteous spiritual power of God does also.

 

Why should evil have all of the rank and demonic power and

the Church have nothing?

 

 

Keep in mind this is not written for old Bible teaching, which is

another way people wiggle out of acknowedging the truth

 

 

According the scripture the end times will bring signs and lying wonders through the use of demons.

 

 

But when the enemy shall come in like a flood the spirit of the Lord always raises up oposition to keep HIS little woman from being consumed by the devil.

 

 

Here is some reading

 

 

Romans 12:4  For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

 

5  So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

 

6  Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

 

If someone you know (Steve) claims they are a Prophet because like a Prophet they prophesy things their whole life, does not make them Lord over you.

 

That is your problem Steve and everyone else. You are afraid that person will become your micromanager now in the spirit like your mainstream cHurches teach.

 

The mainstream teach Prophets are like little ET's that only visit during special missions, like a close encounter UFO landing.

 

Besides what are people afraid of? Are they afraid that the Prophet will speak out of turn telling people to worship them and to give them money?

 

Yup, probably cause that is a false one.

 

So yeah stop following these false Prophets I tell myself also.

 


7  Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;

8  Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that showeth mercy, with cheerfulness.

9  Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

10  Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

 

The Prophet's still operate the gifts but are not excepted by mainstream relige-ainity. They are rejected by all of the shinny cHurch soceity.

 

They will always be cast out and despised through the use of dis-information. This is the stradegy of demon to blind the minds using lies and slight of hand magic tricks on the gullible.

 

Ya know cHurch leader, teacher standing before their classroom asking questions like, "Do you really think Prophet's exist" challeging God himself.

 

Yeah hath God said, "There are no Prophet" what say the classroom? And belittle anyone who gets out of line to quote the scripture.

 

Been there a done these little fony charades, your church, my church, their church, our church.

 



 

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All of thee workings of the spirit are still alive today as we have been instructed to go teach all nations so

 

that their blood is not on our hands. To do this the offices of the ministry for the last 2000 years with it's

 

order had to operate to stand against the attacks of the wicked. False ministers are the tares among the

 

true ministers.

 

Hear are some verses to read when you can. It would take much longer to show a clear picture

 

of the Church today. It is not just dead saints that operate the gifts and callings of God.

 

Some think that only dead holy men are Prophets. That would presuppose a dead God as well.

 

God does not take away his gifts when people use them to make money or get fleshly fulfillment.

 

Since the devil and his demon hoareds have penty of rank and power we must know that the Church

 

of Jesus and the operation of the spirit keeps us rising above.

 

As far as the verse you quoted concerning falling down to worship and angel we should not.

 

Yet your mind is saying that you will not worship these so called Holy men and I agree.

 

The evil today in religion is doing the opposite of what God instructs, but this does not remove

 

the proper order just because no one is following it. I am talking about your Church and everyone elses

 

Church that have traditional ideas about what God is and what He wants from us.

 

Repeating over again that there are no more Apostles is like saying there are no more Jesus'es

 

I am sorry this is a statement of a blind person (Not just You Steve)

 

Apostles laid the foundation, the foundation is Christ so why would we keep needing a new foundation?

 

Why would we need more Christ's? And more and more Foundation layers (Like Chickens laying eggs)?

 

Of course we don't need any more Jesus foundations. Or Apostles who say that they are being sent to

 

re-lay the foundation 'which is Christ.

 

"SAYING" and repeating that there are no Apostles is like saying there is no more foundation.

 

Don't you see the blockage here in the spirit?

 

We already have the 12 sent ones who laid the foundation which is Christ.

 

Now on to Prophets.

 

Prophet are always used to do hard jobs and do not want any part of the rebellion of childish

 

baby Christains messing all over. Now a Pastor will wipe their butts just fine.

 

A teacher is one only by example just as the proof is in the pudding so the proof of a man's calling.

 

Prophet's that are false do not remove the office of a true Prophet.

 

In Fact in Revelation the Prophets have another hard job to finish up in the end of times.

 

Prophets will always operate in the administration of the spirit and you will never know that they are there.

 

They don't even want the job, their hand is dealt to them and no one can stop the hand of God.

 

The presences of God is the Spirit of God IN HIS PEOPLE, and since the people are living

 

and God is alive then the operation of his hand is not dead either.

 

You as a rebellious man or women may resist these words because you have been damaged

 

by evil doers and this is normal.

 

If you ever come into contact with a true Prophet you will never be the same again. This is because he is

 

nothing like you thought he would be. He is despised and rejected of men, that is how you know him.

 

Men love there little cubby of same ole do it my way.

 

You will wear yourselves out. Below is some good reading

 

 

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

 

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

1 cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

 

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

 

1 cor 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

 

1 Cor 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

 

Luke 11.........................................................This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

 

Luke 4:24 And he said, Verily, I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

 

Rev 11:.............................................................because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

 

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

 

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

 

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



 

NAME:: Steve

FROM:: Sure

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Sign Here::. We understand that. But that's not in operation today.


There certainly are no Apostles today. There were 12 Apostles.


And prophets. We don't really see any of those today other than prophet wanna bees such as stair.


But the Testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy.


If you want to say that some of the applications of these ministries are in force today, that's fine.Spirit of Prophecy Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.



NAME::  Brother Mike

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Hi Steve

I think it is like the rapture doctrine where the word rapture does not actually appear in scripture but the idea does.

 

So it is with the order set by God.

(1) Apostles

(2) Prophets

(3rd) Teachers

(4th) Pastors

(5th) Evangelists

 

The point is that there are 5 positions for the perfecting

of the body of Christ. This is not a man made tradition, these

ideas come from out heavenly Father.

Five is always the hand of God.

Like the 5 smooth stones that David pulled out of te river

to kill Goliath with.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry,

 

Yes there is a rapture though the word rapture is not in the

Bible and no the term "5 fold ministry" is not written in the

Bible this way, yet five ministering offices are given listed 

above.

 

I can't see why people have so much trouble with something so

clear.

 



 

NAME:: Steve

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Traditions of men The term "5 fold" or "5 fold ministry" does not appear in Scripture.


It actually came out of the Kenneth E. Hagin prosperity gospel.


It's complete garbage
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NAME::  Bro Mike

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The apostles laid the foundation showing the way to the Church in Christ and commanded that if anyone

teaches any other Jesus let him but accursed. Beyond that many Prophets are false these days as

well as teaches so the operation of the gifts of the spiritual offices are in you to keep Satan OUT!!

The type of leadership on display in the modern age has the flock subject to the ruler whims.

The leaders like Paul said he was the acting Father and took care of the flock, not the other way

around like we see in the false cHurch order today.

 

 

Money, position, power, worship are the driving spirit in the ministry of the day.

 

1 Pet 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight

thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

 

3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

 

 

1 Cor 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.

 

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry,

 

 

1 Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers,

after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

 

 

Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;

8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that showeth mercy, with cheerfulness.

9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



 


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