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Name: Jason P Adams
I know this sounds crazy,,,,, but is their ANY holiday you approve of?
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Name: Brother Mike's Views
From: Apokatastasis, Apocatastasis
Hi Nick this is not me this a History book speaking on one of the many odd ball views of Universalism that were first cast out hundreds of years ago 553 A.D.

In pre-Christian Stoic and Middle Platonic philosophy, this term referred to the universal restoration of the cosmos to the state in which it was first constituted by the divine mind or first principle.

The great Christian theologian Origen of Alexandria used this term to denote the final restoration of all souls to God.

According to Origen, all souls pre-existed with their Creator in a perfect, spiritual (non-material) state as "minds," but later fell away in order to pursue an existence independent of God.

Since all souls were created absolutely free, God could not simply force them to return to Him (this was, according to Origen, due to God's boundless love and respect for His creatures). Instead, God created the material cosmos, and initiated history, for the purpose of guiding the wayward souls back to contemplation of His infinite mind, which is, according to Origen, the perfect state.

This obviously excludes any concept of eternal damnation or hell. Apokatastasis doctrine was officially declared a heresy at the Council of Constantinople II.

However, St. Gregory of Nyssa taught the doctrine without repercussions, and St. Maximus the Confessor seems to have subscribed to a mild form of the teaching during his early years, though he later significantly revised Origenist ideas as he elaborated his own highly influential theology.

The idea that salvation will be universal is to be found as well in the work of modern theologians, notably the Orthodox-inspired Russian philosopher Nicholas Berdyaev.
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Name: Brother Mike's
From: Wikipedia
Hey Nick this is Wikipedia

"In Christianity, Universalism refers to the belief that all humans may be saved through Jesus Christ and eventually come to harmony in God's kingdom if they choose to repent"

Hi Nick I am Back
It looks like everyone has their own brand of this stuff while half of them still keep on doing the wild thing thinking they are going to just waltz right onto the street of gold.

I did not write this you are right.

This is the Wikipedia and some of the other posts were a collection of opinions from around the theological cemeteries of planet earth.

Almost all cHurches(wOoden buildings with an ancient symbol of an erection) who write these theological doctrines into their board meeting minute have their own special twist to what it all is suppose to mean.

How else would they keep everyone dangling over hell if people didn't hear and do what their brand dictates?

Every Rev. Tom, Dick and Harry listed in the phone book will demand a completely different approach to God for reconciliation, with all claiming the same JOHN 3:16 for God so Loved the world UNIVERSALISM.

What's New?

Thanks Nick talk soon


Universalism refers to religious, theological, and philosophical concepts with universal ("applying to all" application or applicability.

It is a term used to identify particular doctrines considering all people in their formation.

In religion and theology, "universalism" is a principle that asserts that all people are under the consideration and Love of God, and that theological concepts (doctrines) which conform to this concept are in fact more in accord with the divine concepts.

A church or community that calls itself Universalist may emphasize the universal principles of most religions and accept other religions in an inclusive manner, believing in a universal reconciliation between humanity and the divine.

For example Abrahamic religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam still claim a universal value of their doctrine and moral principles because they feel they are inclusive.[1]

A belief in one common truth is also another important tenet. The living truth is seen as more far-reaching than national, cultural, or religious boundaries.

In Christianity, Universalism refers to the belief that all humans may be saved through Jesus Christ and eventually come to harmony in God's kingdom if they choose to repent.

[citation needed] This salvation is expressed as being offered not only to the Jew, but also to the Gentile (Romans 1:16,Romans 9:24-25,Revelation 7:9).

A related doctrine, apokatastasis, is thought by some[who?] to be the belief that all mortal beings will be reconciled to God, including Satan and his fallen angels.

The Universalist George T. Knight claimed that Universalism was a widely held but controversial view among theologians in Early Christianity and that in the first five or six centuries of Christianity, there were six known theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa) were universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality, and one (Carthage or Rome) taught the endless punishment of the lost.[1] The two major theologians opposing it were Tertullian and Augustine. However Knight's views are now increasingly questioned.

Universalist ideas first surfaced (or re-surfaced) in 17th-century England and 18th-century Europe and America. Gerrard Winstanley (1648), Richard Coppin (1652), Jane Leade (1697), and then George de Benneville in America, taught that God would grant all human beings salvation. Those in America teaching this became known as the Universalists.[2]

The term Catholic is derived from the Greek word katholikos, which means universal. The Catholic Church is universal in the sense that it embraces individuals "from every race, nation, language, and people."

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Name: NICK
From: MA
Thanks for the heads up, Mike. It's always nice to know that I'm not just typing to a nameless faceless entity.

Question: Who wrote that post addressed to me about universal reconciliation? Was that you? After reading this morning your later posts, I wouldn't think it was you.


For the sake of your other readers, let me give you a brief description of "Universal Reconciliation".

"Universal reconciliation is the position that all mankind will ultimately be saved through Christ whether or not faith is professed in Him in this life. While most proponents may adhere to the many tenents of traditional Christianity, they uniformly claim that God's qualities of love, goodness, and sovereignty require that all people will ultimately be saved and that eternal punishment is a false doctrine. Salvation is not from hell, but from sin. Advocates of this view take such verses as 1Tim. 2:6 and 1 Jn. 2:2 literally, explaining that Christ took away the sins of the "whole" world such that there remains no basis for condemnation. This is also based on the belief that a loving God would not submit any person, regardless of their sins, to everlasting torment, but would instead reform them."

This is, and I'm being quite literal here, outright heresy. This doctrine has been refuted and denied by all of like faith in Christ since the beginning of the Church. There is no room in the Church, in scripture, or in the minds of true believers for this doctrine. And yes, doctrine does matter, so much so that your eternal destiny might full well rest upon it. It's what divides light from darkness, sin from holiness and belief from unbelief.

If God in Christ were crucified for the whole world, meaning that all sin, of all people, where done away with at the cross, then this must include in it the sin of unbelief ("all" meaning "all". Following that line of reasoning we have to conclude that all will be saved, from the sins incured through Federalism and unbelif alike. This is unscriptural nonsense. Pure eisegitical blundering.

Unfortunately I have to go to work now, "Daddy's got to bring it home", you know. I hope to continue, Lord willing, soon. Thank you Mike, for the opportunity to express myself through what Scripture has taught me.
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Name: Brother Rowland
From: Universalism Dangers
There is an endless parade of critics of the teaching of universal salvation that try to make it sound like Universalism teaches that acceptance of the truth which is Christ or repentance is irrelevant and/or unnecessary and this is simply not true. Everyone MUST and WILL repent! God was not broad-sided by evil - he can fix whatever is broken.

Universalist groups emphasize themes such as love, forgiveness, acceptance and reconciliation. People find these ideas attractive, and universalist principles may be found within the creeds of many religions. However, just because many people believe so does not make a theology correct. In fact, at times this may indicate just the opposite conclusion. Scripture affirms that the road to life is narrow, and comparatively few walk upon it. Therefore, a person should carefully examine the tenets of universalism, or any other doctrine.

However, Christian universalism would insist that Christ's atonement did atone for everyone's sins, and that therefore now all are acceptable to God. By grace, everyone is 'home free'. Again, Scripture does say that one is saved by grace. However, Jesus never said that all would be saved or reconciled. In fact, Jesus often solemnly warned of the consequences of unbelief. That would not have been necessary if a blanket pardon would be available.

Another universalist idea is that only a sadistic God would assign unbelievers to hell. The reasoning is that a loving God would never allow such a horrible consequence for sin, or that such vindictiveness was beneath Him. No one, especially God, should wish such punishment upon another individual. However, the existence of hell does not mean that God relishes such a prospect, or that He is unconcerned. In fact, it is probably because of the fact that mankind is made in the image of God that people find hell repugnant, for God loved the world so much that He sent Jesus to die so that people would not have to endure such torment. Forgiveness and salvation may be familiar concepts. However, many people, including Christians, are not quite as comfortable with the concept of the utter holiness of God. Delighting in His mercies, a person can be somewhat uncomprehending about His wrath against sin. Not being able to conceive of holiness in its fullness, people may regard sins or the rejection of His gracious salvation as small things, easily set aside. Yet the Judge of all the earth must do what is right. His character requires that He act with justice as well as love.
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Name: Brother Mike
From: Universal Love (Love Agape)
There are many different ideas surrounding the subject of God's Universal Love.

For instance, I know a woman from Detroit that for 45 years now has lived the life of adultery drunkenness and also has had many girl friends who were gay.

This woman says she is glad that her gOd is not like MY GOD.

This is because MY GOD says that unless she repents she will in no wise enter into the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

On the other hand she says she does not need to worry about that because her gOd understands her and just over looks it and that her gOd loves loves loves her.

She is confident that no matter what she does and who she does it with her gOd is going to keep her for his very own.

She thinks that the love of the one and only gOd she entertains is going to save the devil himself.

This is the wrong expression of the universal love coming from God that requires nothing from the individual.

However if this woman repents(And I hope she does) all of her wickedness with be buried in the depths of God's love, never to be recalled again into the mind of the ALMIGHTY.

You see God's Love applies to all not just Jews like it did in the OLD TESTAMENT.

Now Gentiles are included into God's plan of redemption. In the Old Testament Jews were the only people of God with God sending these Jews against the rest of the population wherever they went to remove them from the land.

Israel did not chose God, HE chose them to do this dirty job of killing off all of the white trash hanging out on God's property.

These men I referred to as white trash were Heathens doing the wildthing/murdering children to Molech, living the GAY LIFESTYLE and so forth.

Today this has not changed , only in the respect that our war is not physical or a natural slaughter.

It is a spiritual slaughter because light scatters the darkness like Israel drove out all of the inhabitant's of "THE LAND"

Nothing has changed with the Almighty, he is still just as angry with the wicked everyday.

Repentance for violations of the Law is the only way that a soul can come to Christ.

Repentance means that you have to say to God that you did things that were wrong and now need to be forgiven for them, never to do these sins again.

Although you may sin again and get forgiveness again your heart can not be saying it doesn't matter anyway.

True repentance and Love for the purity of God will cause you to be sorrowful enough to begin to win some victories over the flesh.

A repentant person does not constantly live a life of Wkoredoms under the tittle of repentance.

This is insanity and the thought processes of many religious people adhere to.

God's love can reach to you and there is more rejoicing in heaven over one soul that finds repentance than over 100's of Christains who need none.

We are all sinners that must repent(Turn away) for doing the wildthing.

God is not a savage.

The heavenly City is not going to be monkey see monkey do.

If you and I stay broken before God he will not despise our need for his salvation.

Jews were called the OLIVE TREE and Gentiles are called the WILD OLIVE TREE that is grafted into SPIRITUAL JEWISH ISRAEL.

Christain's are spiritual Jews who love the law and obey it because they know that uncleanness with not be permitted in that HOLY CITY JERUSALEM.

So now you should be able to see how God's love applies universally or to ALL.

Other Universal ideas run in the hundreds with each thought producing another wOoden cHurch to lead people to their destruction.

Talk To Ya Later, Bro Mike
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Name: Brother Mike
From: Just who am I talking with?
Hi Nick

I posted some of Doc Martins stuff then commented on it.
Sure go ahead if you have something to say lets hear it.

Nick wrote:
"Hi, and just who am I talking with? I guess it's not Dr. Martin, he died in 2002. Anyways, I thank you for your definition and I'll be back as soon as I can and we discuss this further, if you like. "
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Name: Universal Love Of God
From: For God So Loved The World
Hi Nick

Universal Reconciliation of all humans simply means that they all MAY come to God. Or God is not partial, He(GOD) has made a way that all men can come to the knowledge of the truth.

Universal Reconciliation means that God is showing everyone a loving escape for the punishment of their sin.

It doesn't mean that they will take that gift of GOD's love.

All people saying they love God are required to prove it.

Here is the definition of Universal Reconciliation (A non-partial Love)

Universalism refers to religious, theological, and philosophical concepts with universal ("applying to all" application or applicability.

In religion and theology, "universalism" is a principle that asserts that all people are under the consideration and Love of God, and that theological concepts (doctrines) which conform to this concept are in fact more in accord with the divine concepts.

Bottom line here is no one has any excuse for rejecting the knowledge of God, yet like you said Nick they still do.
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Name: nick
From: MA
I was reading the post on pagan tree worship and being a curious sort, I went to the website at bottom of the post. I began to read the bio of Dr. E. L. Martin. As I got to the end of his bio I read something that stunned me.

It seems Dr. Martin promotes, and quite strongly, the doctrine of "Universal Reconciliation". I'll let Dr. Martin speak for himself, and I quote: "Since the Holy Scriptures dogmatically teach the Universal Reconciliation of all humans throughout all periods of time, he was an ardent advocate of this scriptural truth.".

This got me thinking; let's apply this doctrine to the post that was written on tree worship.

Let's say a guy goes out, plops a tree in his living room, throws some tinsle on it and sits down to nice cup of hot tea. This man would by the intimation of the post be, for all intents and purposes, a heathen and an idolater.

Now let's say this heathen ignores your post and continues on his merry idolatrist way until death. Now let's apply Dr. Martin's doctrine of "universal reconciliation" upon this hapless pagan. Guess what? He goes to heaven.

"Universal Reconciliation" aka "universalism" alows all people: Hitler, Stalin, Judas Iscariot, Nero, Jeffery Dahmer ect. to have the doors of heaven thrown open regardless of the fact that their sin was of an unrepentant nature.

Jesus certainly didn't teach this, the Old Testament prophets never heard this from God and the apostles, all of them, denied this.

My point? It seems to me that quoting (?)or at least relying on Dr. Martin and those who are of the same doctrinal belief, for their insight, might not be a good idea. It might be time to put the good Dr. Martin on the "no quote list" and find someone else, someone of proper biblical exegetical prowess to get your info from.

Other than that I have no stand on this subject.
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Name: Tree Huggers Love It
From: Egypt's tree-hugging tradition
Evergreens were celebrated in Egypt as a reminder that, though the winter was harsh and yielded little, spring would come just as inevitably.

The palm also spawned a shoot each month, meaning that by December (as it would become known) Egyptians weilded the leaves to show that the year was over. They'd have decorated with entire forests if they ever saw a European winter.

Soon Egypt's tree-hugging tradition spread north to Italy, during the height of the Roman Empire. Palms were substituted for firs and other native species, on which tapers would be lit and burned in honour of Saturn, god of agriculture and justice, during the notoriously raucous Saturnalia festival.

These pagan traditions migrated north to Germany and Scandinavia during the Middle Ages, resulting in today's obsession.

The first 'proper' Christmas carol can be dated back to ancient Rome in 129 AD, when a Roman bishop decreed that a song called 'Angel's Hymn' should be sung during the Christmas service at Rome.

Fast forward a few hundred years, and a Greek Orthodox Priest named Cosmas of Jerusalem (or Maiuma) wrote another famous hymn. Soon, the whole of Europe was singing at Christmas.

Saint Nicholas was the Bishop of Myra, an Ancient Greek town of Lycia, modern Turkey, during the 4th century AD.

Popular throughout the Christian world, he's also known as 'Nicholas the Wonderworker' thanks to the large number of miracles attributed to him.

Our image of Santa is an evolution of the Dutch colloquialism Sinterklass. His name may have changed, but Santa still kept the ceremonial red robes of his ancient forebear. However many think the clothing may be an amalgam of Saint Nicholas' and those of the Norman god of misrule, a red-robed character who would go about causing havoc during the winter solstice period.

Santa didn't always use reindeer to power him from house to house, either: many believe they are an evolution of the eight-legged grey horse of the Norse god Odin(The god of animal shape shifting) called Sleipnir, who could leap huge distances.

Middle Ages children would leave out food for Sleipnir, a custom which continues to this day.

Mistletoe comes from the ancient pagans Druids, to be precise: these ancient mystics saw the herb as having magical powers thanks to its evergreenness.

Amongst its miraculous characteristics - curing illness, countering poison etc - mistletoe was thought to enhance virility (Sex Drive).

Kissing under the mistletoe may date all the way back to the ancient Greeks; no strangers to free lovin'.

Traditionally, kissing beneath the magical mistletoe would ensure a couple stayed happy. It was even used as a sort of natural proposal, and hung at marital ceremonies.

Saxons then took on the mantle, associating the plant with Freya, goddess of love, beauty and fertility.

Men could kiss any woman who found herself beneath a sprig of mistletoe, plucking a berry with each kiss. When the berries had all gone, the kissing was over.

One suspects mistletoe was never in short supply at Saxon parties.

Eastern France the bearded, black-robed character call Le Pere Fouettard(French Santa) carries either a whip or a rod, and while St. Nick hands out toys to the good children, Le Pere Fouettard is said to beat the naughty ones for Le Pere Fouettard are pretty grisly He’s said to be the murderer of three boys who are now stuck working for St. Nick to atone for their sins.

Naughty children in Iceland have to fear being caught by Gryla, an ogress who lives in a mountain cave but comes out each year to plague bad kids during Christmas.

In Spain Olentzero(Their Santa) comes to town on Christmas Eve to deliver children’s holiday gifts.

Although Olentzero—an overweight man who wears a beret, smokes a pipe, and dresses like a Basque farmer—is now a beloved character who comes bearing gifts, he used to have some violent enforcer-type aspects to his personality;

children heard that if they didn’t go to sleep, Olentzero would hurl a sickle down the chimney. The message was clear: go to sleep or Olentzero will come cut your throat.

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